Drop pointed straight bladed tulwar, what purpose?

Kmaddock · 20th November 2017, 10:22 PM

Thanks for the thumbs up on it being probably a kirach
As I said earlier all I was hoping for was a straight bladed Tulwar, looks as if I have something more exotic again

As for condition this is exactly what I wanted, it will never be a beautiful item but it oozes history to me and for something that is around 200 years old I think it is in good condition.

I will get all the active rid rust off it but I will leave it in it’s probable blackened state underneath as I am not into over cleaning my items.

I will put some images up of the semi cleaned item, I have projects to write up @nd assignments to correct so a busy week

Regards to all

Ken

Jens Nordlunde · 21st November 2017, 09:50 PM

Jim,
As far as I see it, there are two narrow fullers - and not one. Does that change you mind about a possible European origin?
To me the blade looks Indian.
Jens

Jim McDougall · 21st November 2017, 11:33 PM

Jens,
You are right, I think I need new glasses. Agree, Indian blade.

ariel · 22nd November 2017, 02:03 AM

I have seen a couple of tulwars with misaligned hilt and blade combination. I think there is one for sale on e-bay right now.

Originally, I thought it was done on purpose, to increase the cutting ability of the sword ( similar to Georgian Kabiani Khmali), but that was far too exotic an explanation,

The marriage between the blade and the hilt was done in a hurry. First, the handle was filled with molten mastique and then a red-hot tang was forcefully inserted and everything was allowed to cool and solidify.

A little error or just inattention and the alignment was off.

This process was repeated several times during the life of a sword because the mastique dried out and crumbled, especially with repeat blows. Thus, there were plenty of opportunities to put things aslant.

Kmaddock · 22nd November 2017, 07:42 AM

Hi
Yes there are 2 narrow fullers
I have it soaking in diesel so I should have better images over the weekend
Regards
Ken

Jens Nordlunde · 22nd November 2017, 10:38 AM

Dont worry Jim, you can have my old glasses, thay are only about ten years old:-).
Jens

Jens Nordlunde · 14th December 2017, 04:44 PM

In post 12 Jim askes an interesting question.
Not to begin any name game stuff, but I am wondering, could this, or any kirach (straight blade tulwar as I understand) be with 'firangi' blade.
There are straight bladed tulwars and there are Kiraches.
Many of the straight bladed tulwars had foreign blades, but some also had Indian blades.
When it comes to Kiraches, as far as I know all of these blades were from India.

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20th November 2017, 10:22 PM	#1
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Thanks for the thumbs up on it being probably a kirach As I said earlier all I was hoping for was a straight bladed Tulwar, looks as if I have something more exotic again As for condition this is exactly what I wanted, it will never be a beautiful item but it oozes history to me and for something that is around 200 years old I think it is in good condition. I will get all the active rid rust off it but I will leave it in it’s probable blackened state underneath as I am not into over cleaning my items. I will put some images up of the semi cleaned item, I have projects to write up @nd assignments to correct so a busy week Regards to all Ken

21st November 2017, 09:50 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Jim, As far as I see it, there are two narrow fullers - and not one. Does that change you mind about a possible European origin? To me the blade looks Indian. Jens

21st November 2017, 11:33 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,595	Jens, You are right, I think I need new glasses. Agree, Indian blade.

22nd November 2017, 02:03 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I have seen a couple of tulwars with misaligned hilt and blade combination. I think there is one for sale on e-bay right now. Originally, I thought it was done on purpose, to increase the cutting ability of the sword ( similar to Georgian Kabiani Khmali), but that was far too exotic an explanation, The marriage between the blade and the hilt was done in a hurry. First, the handle was filled with molten mastique and then a red-hot tang was forcefully inserted and everything was allowed to cool and solidify. A little error or just inattention and the alignment was off. This process was repeated several times during the life of a sword because the mastique dried out and crumbled, especially with repeat blows. Thus, there were plenty of opportunities to put things aslant.

22nd November 2017, 07:42 AM	#5
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Yes there are 2 narrow fullers I have it soaking in diesel so I should have better images over the weekend Regards Ken

22nd November 2017, 10:38 AM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Dont worry Jim, you can have my old glasses, thay are only about ten years old:-). Jens

14th December 2017, 04:44 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	In post 12 Jim askes an interesting question. Not to begin any name game stuff, but I am wondering, could this, or any kirach (straight blade tulwar as I understand) be with 'firangi' blade. There are straight bladed tulwars and there are Kiraches. Many of the straight bladed tulwars had foreign blades, but some also had Indian blades. When it comes to Kiraches, as far as I know all of these blades were from India.