Petra

A.alnakkas · 4th October 2017, 05:43 PM

Nice image!

Have to agree with Marius on the general quality of Jordanian shibriyas. Always seem to be crudely made. Anyone has fine examples to share?

I have one with relatively good craftsmanship made in Irbid. Images included.

mariusgmioc · 4th October 2017, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Nice image!

Have to agree with Marius on the general quality of Jordanian shibriyas. Always seem to be crudely made. Anyone has fine examples to share?

I have one with relatively good craftsmanship made in Irbid. Images included.

Way above the average! I wish I have found something of this quality!

Thank you for the sharing but can you show us the blade?

A.alnakkas · 4th October 2017, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Way above the average! I wish I have found something of this quality!

Thank you for the sharing but can you show us the blade?

The blade is nothing special, I'll take images tomorrow in sunlight :-))

rickystl · 5th October 2017, 01:44 AM

Hi Philip

Looks like a good time. Great pic.

Rick

shayde78 · 6th October 2017, 02:43 PM

I love seeing this particular blade being worn locally as part of an established kit.

A couple pics of an example I own. Modest, but a better blade than I've seen on many.

mariusgmioc · 6th October 2017, 05:37 PM

Good example!

Do you know what is written on the blade?

shayde78 · 6th October 2017, 06:57 PM

I'd love to find out what the inscription says. I have seen examples where a date is included in the cartouche (is it a cartouche?), so perhaps it contains that. I'd love if someone could translate.

Per member Motan, who provided comments in another thread about this piece: "There is no evidence it was made for anything but the local market and members of the Arab Legion carried very similar ones at the time. The coin impression is of king Ghazi of Iraq (see link http://www.chiefacoins.com/Database...ies/Ghazi_I.htm)."

A.alnakkas · 12th October 2017, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shayde78

I love seeing this particular blade being worn locally as part of an established kit.

A couple pics of an example I own. Modest, but a better blade than I've seen on many.

Work of Houshan. A workshop that still produces shibriyas.

motan · 12th October 2017, 10:48 PM

Thanks for translating Lotfy.
I do not know the specific case of Abdulrazaaq, but this type of niello work is well known from Iraq and it has been used on Kurdish and Marsh Arab types of daggers. Funny, because the real origin of this type of niello work is Tbilisi Georgia and kindjals made with similar decoration and mounting in late 19th century. Other shibriyas with niello are different and in less "foreign" style, like the one in Mariusgmioc pic (middle, I also have a similar one)
Lotfy and Artzi, you have both shown examples of shibriya of good+ quality, but these consist less than 5% of the production and are not in a representative style, like those of Houshan, which are the most dominant and typical type.

4th October 2017, 05:43 PM	#1
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Nice image! Have to agree with Marius on the general quality of Jordanian shibriyas. Always seem to be crudely made. Anyone has fine examples to share? I have one with relatively good craftsmanship made in Irbid. Images included. Attached Images

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shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	I love seeing this particular blade being worn locally as part of an established kit. A couple pics of an example I own. Modest, but a better blade than I've seen on many. Attached Images

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5th October 2017, 01:44 AM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Philip Looks like a good time. Great pic. Rick

6th October 2017, 05:37 PM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Good example! Do you know what is written on the blade?

6th October 2017, 06:57 PM	#7
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	I'd love to find out what the inscription says. I have seen examples where a date is included in the cartouche (is it a cartouche?), so perhaps it contains that. I'd love if someone could translate. Per member Motan, who provided comments in another thread about this piece: "There is no evidence it was made for anything but the local market and members of the Arab Legion carried very similar ones at the time. The coin impression is of king Ghazi of Iraq (see link http://www.chiefacoins.com/Database...ies/Ghazi_I.htm)."

12th October 2017, 10:48 PM	#9
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Thanks for translating Lotfy. I do not know the specific case of Abdulrazaaq, but this type of niello work is well known from Iraq and it has been used on Kurdish and Marsh Arab types of daggers. Funny, because the real origin of this type of niello work is Tbilisi Georgia and kindjals made with similar decoration and mounting in late 19th century. Other shibriyas with niello are different and in less "foreign" style, like the one in Mariusgmioc pic (middle, I also have a similar one) Lotfy and Artzi, you have both shown examples of shibriya of good+ quality, but these consist less than 5% of the production and are not in a representative style, like those of Houshan, which are the most dominant and typical type.