the lost oakeshott sword

fernando · 21st August 2017, 06:58 PM

Hello Jasper,

I wonder why Gonzalo has not been around for quite a few days. Have you tried this link:

GIBRALTAR SWORDS

cornelistromp · 23rd August 2017, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Hello Jasper,

I wonder why Gonzalo has not been around for quite a few days. Have you tried this link:

GIBRALTAR SWORDS

Hi Fernando,

yes thanks, that helps.

best,
Jasper

J.G.Elmslie · 25th August 2017, 01:40 AM

I dont post here nearly often enough, instead lurking every so often.

But I felt I had to come up to the surface to say that I'm overjoyed to see the sympathetic restoration of this sword, and the removal of that offending grafted piece.

I cant help wonder, is the offending part now destroyed? I've been talking a lot with a few other craftsmen like Peter, Fabrice Cognot, and Paul Binns of late about the issues of forgeries, and if its still around, I wonder if it could be put to use as a perfect example of a modern piece that's been aged, and thus used as a reference for metallurgical / XRF study, to help identify other forgeries?

(In my own field of single-edged arms, I'm rather inclined to think of one particular single-edged sword auctioned by Hermann Historica a few years ago that I identified as a composite of two blades spliced together in a similar manner to your sword's extension.)

cornelistromp · 25th August 2017, 04:03 PM

Hi James,

Thank you, yes I am very pleased with the successful restoration, thumbs to the restorer of the Solingen Klingen Museum.

unfortunately I have not received the 14cm removed point back from the restorer , probably it was thrown away/wasted.
By the way, I believe this point was not new and aged but coming from another medieval sword blade!

best,
jasper

J.G.Elmslie · 25th August 2017, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

By the way, I believe this point was not new and aged but coming from another medieval sword blade!

best,
jasper

I'm not going to repeat the language I just used in polite company, but it rhymes with "mucking stunts"

that's utterly shameful.

cornelistromp · 27th August 2017, 12:25 PM

I see this as an incredibly stupid action.

But I believe one of the two UK dealers ( or Both) really believed that the dimensions in roms, given by Oakeshott, they thought he measured in 1936, were the right dimensions for this sword.

Of course, such restoration, especially when not mentioned to a new owner (me) can not be justified.

Fortunately, now very happy with the professional removal of the extended point

best,
jasper

Tordenskiold1721 · 27th August 2017, 04:13 PM

Interesting and educational topic with good documentation a follow ups since it started. Defiantly the right thing too do, having the extension removed.

I am always a bit "nervous" when having historically interesting and expensive items restored. Guess it must have been the same feeling having work done on such a special sword.

25th August 2017, 04:03 PM	#4
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi James, Thank you, yes I am very pleased with the successful restoration, thumbs to the restorer of the Solingen Klingen Museum. unfortunately I have not received the 14cm removed point back from the restorer , probably it was thrown away/wasted. By the way, I believe this point was not new and aged but coming from another medieval sword blade! best, jasper Last edited by cornelistromp; 25th August 2017 at 04:22 PM.

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21st August 2017, 06:58 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hello Jasper, I wonder why Gonzalo has not been around for quite a few days. Have you tried this link: GIBRALTAR SWORDS

25th August 2017, 01:40 AM	#3
J.G.Elmslie Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Inverness & Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 17	I dont post here nearly often enough, instead lurking every so often. But I felt I had to come up to the surface to say that I'm overjoyed to see the sympathetic restoration of this sword, and the removal of that offending grafted piece. I cant help wonder, is the offending part now destroyed? I've been talking a lot with a few other craftsmen like Peter, Fabrice Cognot, and Paul Binns of late about the issues of forgeries, and if its still around, I wonder if it could be put to use as a perfect example of a modern piece that's been aged, and thus used as a reference for metallurgical / XRF study, to help identify other forgeries? (In my own field of single-edged arms, I'm rather inclined to think of one particular single-edged sword auctioned by Hermann Historica a few years ago that I identified as a composite of two blades spliced together in a similar manner to your sword's extension.)

27th August 2017, 12:25 PM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	I see this as an incredibly stupid action. But I believe one of the two UK dealers ( or Both) really believed that the dimensions in roms, given by Oakeshott, they thought he measured in 1936, were the right dimensions for this sword. Of course, such restoration, especially when not mentioned to a new owner (me) can not be justified. Fortunately, now very happy with the professional removal of the extended point best, jasper

27th August 2017, 04:13 PM	#7
Tordenskiold1721 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 71	Interesting and educational topic with good documentation a follow ups since it started. Defiantly the right thing too do, having the extension removed. I am always a bit "nervous" when having historically interesting and expensive items restored. Guess it must have been the same feeling having work done on such a special sword.