An unusual blade

[David]

hmmm...i would have placed it on the Peninsula.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by David

hmmm...i would have placed it on the Peninsula.

Me too in absence of any similar reference from Indonesia... It would help to see the hilt & scabbard if they are original or at least old of course.

[A. G. Maisey]

Gavin, does the "differential heat treatment" produce dark edges and a lighter coloured blade centre, or a dark front section of the blade, with a lighter coloured base?

[Rick]

After looking at it off and on today, I get a peninsular feel from it also.
I'm not sure myself when what seems to be a forging flaw (if my eyes don't deceive me) becomes pamor.
If that's the original patina you've got to wonder if a stain would be out of place.

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Gavin, does the "differential heat treatment" produce dark edges and a lighter coloured blade centre, or a dark front section of the blade, with a lighter coloured base?

Hi Alan,

It is the later, dark front section, lighter base.

Gavin

[Laowang]

To me, the non-contrasting pamor and fullered blade would indicate a peninsular origin. To hedge one's bets, one could easily add "Bugis-influenced" to that statement.

[A. G. Maisey]

Thanks Gavin.

Yeah, that is the normal thing we see, it is just due to where the immersion into the quench stopped, front hard, back soft.

I asked the question, because sometimes the edges of the blade will show dark and the central area greyish, which indicates pamor of some sort or another , usually just pamor sanak.

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Laowang

To me, the non-contrasting pamor and fullered blade would indicate a peninsular origin. To hedge one's bets, one could easily add "Bugis-influenced" to that statement.

Thank you for coming in Laowang. Perhaps Bugis Patani?

Gavin

[Gavin Nugent]

David, Rick,

My initial thoughts when it arrived were north east coast peninsular, but I soon forgot the features of the Gandik and was lost in the broad bevelled edges and followed another path and have been lost in Sumatra.
Given the almost mono-steel appearance and the nature of the heat treatment, these points are typical of Patani through to Terengganu.

As you suspect, it is likely better placed in Malaysia.

Gavin

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

David, Rick,

My initial thoughts when it arrived were north east coast peninsular, but I soon forgot the features of the Gandik and was lost in the broad bevelled edges and followed another path and have been lost in Sumatra.
Given the almost mono-steel appearance and the nature of the heat treatment, these points are typical of Patani through to Terengganu.

As you suspect, it is likely better placed in Malaysia.

Gavin

From other places too.
Iirc this was collected in Makassar, 1920's.

[Gavin Nugent]

Apart from the unusual arrangement of the "fullers", and using Adni's reference as an ID guide, the Ron Da Nunut is also very unusual to my eye...specifically that nothing protrudes beyond the edge of the blade but it is "within".

Here is Henri's keris;
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=inlaid+keris

I have seen another 9 luk version of the type too.

Gavin