Greek flintlock rifles

stelio · 5th June 2017, 12:22 AM

Hello Rick and thank you! I hope you quickly get one in your collection my friend.
The word, however, that was throughout the Greek territory was a carriophile/ kariofili (καριοφίλι) and all the rest were just to stand out as I said above all the small things that they had to build each one.Rasak would say it was the word used in northern Balkans and not to Greece. Most Greek weapons bring European flintlocks but also a miqulete mechanism.
I think a special example of balkan rasak is the Bulgarian that type rasak with Bulgarian muqulet lock is very rare.
You are right, the first one has the bronze plate as well as the point that receives the powder.

stelios

rickystl · 10th June 2017, 02:05 PM

Hi Stelio.

OK. Thanks for your explanation of Kariofili versus Rasak. I've always wondered. LOL
That brass lockplate is also very interesting. Usually, you only see this feature on some special order European pistols or the occassional Amerian Kentucky/Pennsylvania style rifles. I've only seen one Balkan pistol with a brass lockplate. So this has to be a rare feature for this style of Greek long gun.
Again, two great looking pieces. By the way, thanks for the photos!! I'll add these to my library.

Rick

stelio · 10th June 2017, 02:45 PM

Hello Rick!!!!
Thank you very much my friend .
It has been observed that many Greek weapons have been altered in the second half of the 19th century by American flintlock mechanisms. Many mechanisms since the end of the American civil war have come to Greece and have taken the place of the old mechanism. So what many weapons will we see is much older than the mechanism they have.Do not forget that these weapons in their area have remained stable for many years.
There are cases where kariofilia/ rasak have a mechanism
Percussion locks and no flintlock.I would also like your opinion on another post for a leather Ottoman case, knowing your interest and your knowledge of Ottoman and Balkan weapons.

thank you

Stelios

corrado26 · 10th June 2017, 03:13 PM

and here comes a Greek gun with iron mounts around lock and the stock, but with brass barrel rings out of my collection.
corrado26

stelio · 11th June 2017, 11:36 AM

Hi Corrado26.
Very nice your karıofil and in very good condition,quite unusual in the designs decorations.
Congratulations.

Best

Stelios

Kubur · 11th June 2017, 01:18 PM

Hi Corrado,
I agree with Stelios, very nice and very strange rifle.
I have an idea about his provenance but it's may be crazy.
I prefer to let the others comment first...
Best,
Kubur

rickystl · 11th June 2017, 01:57 PM

Hi Coorado.

What a great looking and interesting Greek long gun. I really like how the carving on the butt stock blend so well with the rest of the gun decoration.
It appears to have come with it's original wood tompin, used to keep the muzzle/barrel dry while carrying during foul weather. Very neat!!! Usually these type of accessories end up being lost over the years.
I'm not quite sure from the photos, but the lock appears to have a "roller" on the frizzen spring (?) Can you confirm this ?
Again, a wonderful example from your collection.

Rick

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5th June 2017, 12:22 AM	#1
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Hello Rick and thank you! I hope you quickly get one in your collection my friend. The word, however, that was throughout the Greek territory was a carriophile/ kariofili (καριοφίλι) and all the rest were just to stand out as I said above all the small things that they had to build each one.Rasak would say it was the word used in northern Balkans and not to Greece. Most Greek weapons bring European flintlocks but also a miqulete mechanism. I think a special example of balkan rasak is the Bulgarian that type rasak with Bulgarian muqulet lock is very rare. You are right, the first one has the bronze plate as well as the point that receives the powder. stelios

10th June 2017, 02:05 PM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Stelio. OK. Thanks for your explanation of Kariofili versus Rasak. I've always wondered. LOL That brass lockplate is also very interesting. Usually, you only see this feature on some special order European pistols or the occassional Amerian Kentucky/Pennsylvania style rifles. I've only seen one Balkan pistol with a brass lockplate. So this has to be a rare feature for this style of Greek long gun. Again, two great looking pieces. By the way, thanks for the photos!! I'll add these to my library. Rick

10th June 2017, 02:45 PM	#3
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Hello Rick!!!! Thank you very much my friend . It has been observed that many Greek weapons have been altered in the second half of the 19th century by American flintlock mechanisms. Many mechanisms since the end of the American civil war have come to Greece and have taken the place of the old mechanism. So what many weapons will we see is much older than the mechanism they have.Do not forget that these weapons in their area have remained stable for many years. There are cases where kariofilia/ rasak have a mechanism Percussion locks and no flintlock.I would also like your opinion on another post for a leather Ottoman case, knowing your interest and your knowledge of Ottoman and Balkan weapons. thank you Stelios

11th June 2017, 11:36 AM	#5
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Hi Corrado26. Very nice your karıofil and in very good condition,quite unusual in the designs decorations. Congratulations. Best Stelios

11th June 2017, 01:18 PM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Corrado, I agree with Stelios, very nice and very strange rifle. I have an idea about his provenance but it's may be crazy. I prefer to let the others comment first... Best, Kubur

11th June 2017, 01:57 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Hi Coorado. What a great looking and interesting Greek long gun. I really like how the carving on the butt stock blend so well with the rest of the gun decoration. It appears to have come with it's original wood tompin, used to keep the muzzle/barrel dry while carrying during foul weather. Very neat!!! Usually these type of accessories end up being lost over the years. I'm not quite sure from the photos, but the lock appears to have a "roller" on the frizzen spring (?) Can you confirm this ? Again, a wonderful example from your collection. Rick