Question on British lance head, pattern 1846

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 24th April 2017, 06:34 PM

I dug out a few references to Lances both French and British... See https://www.google.com/search?q=Fren...Gnp4DmmBhxPMM:

Below the 1868 British weapon with pendant. and an earlier French lance head

Jim McDougall · 24th April 2017, 07:01 PM

Thanks Ibrahiim!!! Good illustrations, and the 1868 shown with pennon furled gives an idea of my 'Corvette charge"!! That was the model lances.

Here is the plate on British lances from "Sword, Lance and Bayonet", Hopkinson & Ffloulkes, 1938.

Since the net and general resources on lances is so lousy, every bit we can find and add is helpful.

On another forum, another 'my grandfather had this a found in attic..etc etc' post claimed a lance with the 'bulb' was French Napoleonic (of course), but by this chart was clearly the British M1820.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 24th April 2017, 07:06 PM

Salaams and thank you Jim !! The advent of Lances by the French was a most remarkable and simple arrangement by which the French could outreach British weapons in The Square and could reach their enemies who may have fallen to the ground and whilst prone could avoid cavalry borne swords could not escape the lance...This was generally looked at in bad taste but was eventually adopted as standard practice on all sides...See https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ative-563.html

French Lance
Blade length 214 mm
Country of manufacture France
Date entered service 1811
Overall length 2328 mm
Weight 1.672 kg

Kmaddock · 24th April 2017, 09:35 PM

Hi Jim and Ibrahiim,
Thanks for extra tit bits of information.
Image of traveling down the highway with lance brought a smile.

Reading a bit more on some sites I found the following bit of information
having langets on the lances was seen as an advantage as the heads could not be lopped off by a swords man
When the British model 1868 lance came out it was socket only which caused some consternation as experienced lancers felt that they could loose their lance heads in battle.
Another funny google when looking up the words lance and French is lance Armstrong and doping on the Tour de France 🇫🇷
Regards
Ken

24th April 2017, 06:34 PM	#1
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I dug out a few references to Lances both French and British... See https://www.google.com/search?q=Fren...Gnp4DmmBhxPMM: Below the 1868 British weapon with pendant. and an earlier French lance head Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 24th April 2017 at 06:50 PM.

24th April 2017, 07:01 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,352	Thanks Ibrahiim!!! Good illustrations, and the 1868 shown with pennon furled gives an idea of my 'Corvette charge"!! That was the model lances. Here is the plate on British lances from "Sword, Lance and Bayonet", Hopkinson & Ffloulkes, 1938. Since the net and general resources on lances is so lousy, every bit we can find and add is helpful. On another forum, another 'my grandfather had this a found in attic..etc etc' post claimed a lance with the 'bulb' was French Napoleonic (of course), but by this chart was clearly the British M1820. Attached Images Last edited by Jim McDougall; 24th April 2017 at 07:16 PM.

24th April 2017, 07:06 PM	#3
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams and thank you Jim !! The advent of Lances by the French was a most remarkable and simple arrangement by which the French could outreach British weapons in The Square and could reach their enemies who may have fallen to the ground and whilst prone could avoid cavalry borne swords could not escape the lance...This was generally looked at in bad taste but was eventually adopted as standard practice on all sides...See https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ative-563.html French Lance Blade length 214 mm Country of manufacture France Date entered service 1811 Overall length 2328 mm Weight 1.672 kg Attached Images

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24th April 2017, 09:35 PM	#4
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Jim and Ibrahiim, Thanks for extra tit bits of information. Image of traveling down the highway with lance brought a smile. Reading a bit more on some sites I found the following bit of information having langets on the lances was seen as an advantage as the heads could not be lopped off by a swords man When the British model 1868 lance came out it was socket only which caused some consternation as experienced lancers felt that they could loose their lance heads in battle. Another funny google when looking up the words lance and French is lance Armstrong and doping on the Tour de France 🇫🇷 Regards Ken