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TVV · 13th March 2017, 11:42 PM

Kubur, I believe you are correct. If we base the names on Buttin, then he refers to shorter (blade under 50 cm) versions as S'boula, regardless of hilt shape, and to longer ones as Sekkin.

Teodor

Kubur · 14th March 2017, 12:08 AM

Hi
Here sold recently a very interesting s'boula from Tunisia.
Why Tunisia? Because the hilt is very different from the Moroccan ones made of one piece of rhino or cow horn. The Tunisian are made of two pieces separated by a metal brass disc...
For more infos please see
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...unisian+dagger

Kubur · 14th March 2017, 12:14 AM

and here is mine, ugly but cheap, old and Moroccan...

Jim McDougall · 14th March 2017, 02:39 AM

Very interesting perspective Kubur on these Tunisian examples! and thank you for pointing out characteristic differences. It is good to see how the 'Maghrebi' forms, which typically include Moroccan and Algerian littoral have extended into the Tunisian sphere. Thank you as well for the link to the earlier thread which was a remarkably informational discussion.

Kubur · 14th March 2017, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Very interesting perspective Kubur on these Tunisian examples! and thank you for pointing out characteristic differences. It is good to see how the 'Maghrebi' forms, which typically include Moroccan and Algerian littoral have extended into the Tunisian sphere. Thank you as well for the link to the earlier thread which was a remarkably informational discussion.

Thanks to you Jim for your wise and very informative messages. I wish i could write long messages like you. But I'm a short minded guy with short messages... If you remember our previous thread you mentioned the Albacete type piercing in the blade, seeming assortment of influences from Spanish colonies. I agree and I'll add Spanish colonies and strongholds in North Africa. It's funny because (the excellent) Lebedynsky said that these daggers could be Lebanese.

Kubur · 15th March 2017, 01:41 PM

Hi Teodor,

I will go a bit deeper and say that the Genoui, Janwi is the Moroccan version of the Corsican stiletto or the Genoese stiletto.
On this picture, the knife to the left is a Moroccan Genoui and not a s'bula or sboula.
For me the best version of the Genoese stiletto is the Algerian khodmi or Bu saidi knife: the same kind of hilt and same kind of blade...
And to come back to the beginning, your dagger is a Moroccan s'bula for sure.

TVV · 15th March 2017, 06:51 PM

Kubur,

Given all the evidence for European influence on Maghrebi arms, I believe you are onto something regarding the blade shape similarity between stilettos and genoi and khodmi daggers. It would make sense that the locals would call that blade style after Genoa, whose merchants dominated the Western Mediterranean trade at the time when the style made it to Morocco and Algeria.

Which book is the illustration from?

Teodor

14th March 2017, 12:08 AM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Here sold recently a very interesting s'boula from Tunisia. Why Tunisia? Because the hilt is very different from the Moroccan ones made of one piece of rhino or cow horn. The Tunisian are made of two pieces separated by a metal brass disc... For more infos please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...unisian+dagger Attached Images

14th March 2017, 12:14 AM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	and here is mine, ugly but cheap, old and Moroccan... Attached Images

15th March 2017, 01:41 PM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Teodor, I will go a bit deeper and say that the Genoui, Janwi is the Moroccan version of the Corsican stiletto or the Genoese stiletto. On this picture, the knife to the left is a Moroccan Genoui and not a s'bula or sboula. For me the best version of the Genoese stiletto is the Algerian khodmi or Bu saidi knife: the same kind of hilt and same kind of blade... And to come back to the beginning, your dagger is a Moroccan s'bula for sure. Attached Images

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13th March 2017, 11:42 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	Kubur, I believe you are correct. If we base the names on Buttin, then he refers to shorter (blade under 50 cm) versions as S'boula, regardless of hilt shape, and to longer ones as Sekkin. Teodor

14th March 2017, 02:39 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,193	Very interesting perspective Kubur on these Tunisian examples! and thank you for pointing out characteristic differences. It is good to see how the 'Maghrebi' forms, which typically include Moroccan and Algerian littoral have extended into the Tunisian sphere. Thank you as well for the link to the earlier thread which was a remarkably informational discussion.

15th March 2017, 06:51 PM	#7
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	Kubur, Given all the evidence for European influence on Maghrebi arms, I believe you are onto something regarding the blade shape similarity between stilettos and genoi and khodmi daggers. It would make sense that the locals would call that blade style after Genoa, whose merchants dominated the Western Mediterranean trade at the time when the style made it to Morocco and Algeria. Which book is the illustration from? Teodor