Keris bugis like 15 Handel(Hulu) from sea ivory

A. G. Maisey · 7th February 2017, 03:41 AM

I have had this translation checked by a bilingual native speaker of Indonesian. It is a free translation, not word for word and is couched in colloquial English.

This is an old keris, not a kemardikan keris, and is owned by a Bugis Raja whose name is La temmupage Arung Labuaja. In a few of my previous postings I tried to introduce work of empu from Sulawesi, there are only a few empus in Sulawesi but their ability to make keris (ie, pusaka, or perhaps "tosan aji") is well acknowledged by the empus of Jawa, there are several layers of techniques that are used by empus in Sulawesi in making keris, badik or pedang that are not used by empus outside Sulawesi.

I have translated "beberapa teknik terapan" as "several layers of techniques". Other translations are possible, but I think what La Paguru is trying communicate is that the actual work flow used to produce a keris by Bugis makers differs from the work flow used by makers outside of Sulawesi.

David · 7th February 2017, 04:19 PM

Alan, i would like to thank you for taking the time to translate La Pagura's last post. However, as we move forward i would like to impress one more time that this is an English speaking forum. If we open our doors to members posting in what ever their native tongues are hoping for the kindness of others to undertake translation or worst yet, finding ourselves dependent upon internet translation services such as google (which does a simply awful job with Bahasa Indonesian) we will be trying to hold worthwhile discussions in a virtual Tower of Babel. Please be sure to post in English in the future. Thanks you all.

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7th February 2017, 03:41 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	I have had this translation checked by a bilingual native speaker of Indonesian. It is a free translation, not word for word and is couched in colloquial English. This is an old keris, not a kemardikan keris, and is owned by a Bugis Raja whose name is La temmupage Arung Labuaja. In a few of my previous postings I tried to introduce work of empu from Sulawesi, there are only a few empus in Sulawesi but their ability to make keris (ie, pusaka, or perhaps "tosan aji") is well acknowledged by the empus of Jawa, there are several layers of techniques that are used by empus in Sulawesi in making keris, badik or pedang that are not used by empus outside Sulawesi. I have translated "beberapa teknik terapan" as "several layers of techniques". Other translations are possible, but I think what La Paguru is trying communicate is that the actual work flow used to produce a keris by Bugis makers differs from the work flow used by makers outside of Sulawesi.

7th February 2017, 04:19 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Alan, i would like to thank you for taking the time to translate La Pagura's last post. However, as we move forward i would like to impress one more time that this is an English speaking forum. If we open our doors to members posting in what ever their native tongues are hoping for the kindness of others to undertake translation or worst yet, finding ourselves dependent upon internet translation services such as google (which does a simply awful job with Bahasa Indonesian) we will be trying to hold worthwhile discussions in a virtual Tower of Babel. Please be sure to post in English in the future. Thanks you all.