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Old 30th January 2017, 04:15 AM   #1
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Default And another M1940

Typical Bakelite handle, variable edge grind, Dutch scabbard with blackened brass fittings.

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Old 30th January 2017, 02:43 PM   #2
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Default Field police

Hi Ian it is nice you like this stuf I do have an other one that came with the Uniform from the marchausse from Indie, they told me that p.v. was field police but I am not sure....


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Old 30th January 2017, 03:14 PM   #3
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Thanks Dajak. Nice M1911 example. I like that you have the field uniform jacket with all its patches and the owners medal ribbons. The shoulder patch clearly shows Marechaussee.

Perhaps Amuk can translate what PV and the numbers mean on the brass plate.

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Old 30th January 2017, 05:01 PM   #4
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Default Modified M1911 Marechausseesabel--Japanese heiho

This M1911 Marechaussee sabel has been modified during the Japanese occupation of the NEI by cutting down the blade, removing the basket hilt, and shortening the scabbard to create a heiho. This was used as a jungle knife or machete by the Japanese occupying army.

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With an lot of marks on the scabbard.

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Thanks Dajak. Nice M1911 example. I like that you have the field uniform jacket with all its patches and the owners medal ribbons. The shoulder patch clearly shows Marechaussee.

Perhaps Amuk can translate what PV and the numbers mean on the brass plate.

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Hullo Ian,

P.V.= Soematera west-coast, regional police (veldpolitie)
445= weapon no.

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P.S. BTW, I just noticed, on your post #15; to me the sheath looks USA-made under the Netherlands 1940 Contract (with limper leather and larger rivets) and the fittings blackened to meet USN(avy),BuOrd 10/10/41. My apologies for contradicting you.

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Thanks Amuk...



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Old 4th February 2017, 10:15 PM   #8
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Thank you all for this very intersting thread!


Here my Timor sword with a hembrug klewang blade: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=timor

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Old 4th January 2022, 03:50 PM   #9
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Default Klewang M1940??

Time to reopen this topic. Recently I bought a Klewang. It comes from a private individual who inherited it from her grandfather. Unfortunately, the woman was unable to tell how her grandfather came into possession of the klewang. In my collection I already have a model M1911, made at Hembrug in the Netherlands. At first glance, it looks like the one produced at Hembrug, but the devil is in the details. The first thing I noticed is that it is not marked anywhere, not even on the sheath.
Closer inspection reveals that it differs on a large number of points. I'll just list them here. I will call the Hembrug copy No1, the unmarked variant No2 :
-The length of the blade of No2 is 1cm longer than that of No1 (63cm vs 62cm). Both blades have the same thickness (0.45cm)
-Total length No2 is 75cm, that of No1 74.5cm
-The blade of No2 is blue/black and never sharpened. No1 is sharp.
-The blade of No2 is not sharpened evenly.
-The fuller of No2 does not have the same width on both sides. The difference is sometimes 3mm.
-Both No1 and No2 have the hilt with broken corners. However, there is a size difference between the two. The corners of No2 are rounded, those of No1 are sharp (see photo to see what I mean).
-The hilt of No2 is a fraction thicker than that of No1 (about 0.4mm)
- The sheaths are both made of brown leather and have a copper clamp and sheath tip protector as prescribed for the KNIL. The difference is in the stitching and the pop rivets with which the clamp is secured. Most striking to me is that the sheath of No2 becomes completely straight when the klewang is removed. No1 remains in his crooked position.

If I take the list of Amuk Murugul (post No8 by Ian in this topic) then the blade of the copy I have most resembles No11. The difference is that it has wooden grips and the hilt with corners. Does anyone know this version because with the specifications as described above it falls outside the scope of everything?!
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