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Old 21st January 2017, 04:27 AM   #1
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I really enjoy Peninsular Miquelets and want to learn as much as I can about them, what is the meaning of "all three fashions" applied to the lock in this case?
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Old 21st January 2017, 12:06 PM   #2
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Fernando K is the man able to distinguish all lock styles at first sight.
In an atempt to 'antecipate' him, i will advance that, the three fashions (a las tres modas) variant, is a mix of all three styles, “a la española”, “a la francesa” y “a la romana”. It may be identified by the safe point of the 'cats foot' being situated in the angle that forms the 'patilla' arm.
Note that the interpretation of lock styles some times differs from diverse writers criteria.

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Old 21st January 2017, 12:32 PM   #3
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Hi machinist

The miquelete "to the three fashions" differs from the classic miquelete. First, from the classic miquelete retains the firing system, the actual spring acting on the heel of the cat's foot, the cat's foot with the pedrero screw with his claqsica argolla. Second The bowl no longer has the false flange as in the classic miquelete, but the flange forms partye of the bowl, and the frizen is curved, as in the French key, although it is scratched, as in the miquelete. Third, by the placement of the spring of the frizen, which is not hidden by the flange, but is in view, as in the Roman lock, in front of the main spring.

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Old 21st January 2017, 12:43 PM   #4
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Dear tocayo

I differ with you, and with Calvo obviously. The example he has chosen is still a classic miquelete, with its bridle false, although it distances in one thing, the placement of the spring of the frizen, as in the key to the Roman. The fact that the half-mounted chock acts on the internal curve of the pin is not decisive, as there are specimens of pure miquelete with that characteristic.

It differs, of course, from the copy that has gone up dana

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Old 21st January 2017, 02:57 PM   #5
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Nothing to say, Fernando; you are the one who knows. But as i previously approached, it is Calvó himself that admits the existence of different interpretations.

http://www.catalogacionarmas.com/public/recuerdos77.pdf

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Dear namesake

Exactly, the page of Calvo is missing the copy that has been accepted by Dana. The one that has the bowl with its built bridle, and that is the one that refers the document of the real Palace that is reproduced in LAVIN

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Exactly, the page of Calvo is missing the copy that has been accepted by Dana. The one that has the bowl with its built bridle, and that is the one that refers the document of the real Palace that is reproduced in LAVIN

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In what page of LAVIN's book is that reference ?

Here is an example of llave a las tres modas, made by Manuel Sutil in 1741, as illustrated in the Catálogo de arcabuceria madrileña (Real Armeria de Madrid).
Is this the correct style ?

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