Show us your Talismanic markings on keris blades

Green · 30th December 2016, 04:07 AM

Here is another example of talismanic marking on my old pandai saras blade, which is not obvious at a cursory glance.

But if you put the blade at a certain angle in good light, you can see cross hatches on one side and parallel small hatches on the other side.

These are obviously made for whatever purposes that I am not sure of.

David · 30th December 2016, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Green

Here is another example of talismanic marking on my old pandai saras blade, which is not obvious at a cursory glance.

But if you put the blade at a certain angle in good light, you can see cross hatches on one side and parallel small hatches on the other side.

These are obviously made for whatever purposes that I am not sure of.

I'm sorry Green, but that just looks like tool markings to me. I'm not convinced at all that these markings have a talismanic intention.

Green · 30th December 2016, 08:27 AM

i did think the same when i first saw it, but a couple of people who know about patani keris that I showed this to, told me it's a mark done purposely.

they could be wrong...or right...

A. G. Maisey · 30th December 2016, 08:39 AM

They're made because somebody forgot to use alloy jaw covers on his vice. Even folded newspaper would have done.

Talismanic value is to remind one to take care playing with things they do not understand very well.

Sajen · 30th December 2016, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

They're made because somebody forgot to use alloy jaw covers on his vice. Even folded newspaper would have done.

Hello Green,

agree complete with Alan, this marks a more as typical for a vice.

Regards,
Detlef

Green · 30th December 2016, 09:04 AM

Ah... yes, Alan's explanation makes perfect sense for this blade! Many thanks. I'm learning new things everyday!

what about the first blade I showed...would that considered some form of artifact and not a purposely made marking?

Jean · 30th December 2016, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Green,

agree complete with Alan, this marks a more as typical for a vice.

Regards,
Detlef

If these diamond-shaped marks were imprinted by vice jaws they should be of equal size (unless the vice is very rustic) which does not seem to be the case from the pics: the marks look of larger size up the blade but this may be a perspective effect?
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 30th December 2016, 08:05 PM

Green, pics will not be of any use to me, I need the thing in my hand, and a 3X loupe in my eye.

Jean, to you these marks may be something to be investigated, analysed, given careful thought, and then a decision made. To me they are as clear as reading a sentence that I have already read many, many times. I've even been guilty of writing that sentence once, when I was about 13 or 14 years old. These marks were made by the blade being clamped into a holding device. That device is usually a bench vice, but some hand tools do leave a similar imprint.

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Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 321	Here is another example of talismanic marking on my old pandai saras blade, which is not obvious at a cursory glance. But if you put the blade at a certain angle in good light, you can see cross hatches on one side and parallel small hatches on the other side. These are obviously made for whatever purposes that I am not sure of. Attached Images

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30th December 2016, 08:27 AM	#3
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 321	i did think the same when i first saw it, but a couple of people who know about patani keris that I showed this to, told me it's a mark done purposely. they could be wrong...or right...

30th December 2016, 08:39 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	They're made because somebody forgot to use alloy jaw covers on his vice. Even folded newspaper would have done. Talismanic value is to remind one to take care playing with things they do not understand very well.

30th December 2016, 09:04 AM	#6
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 321	Ah... yes, Alan's explanation makes perfect sense for this blade! Many thanks. I'm learning new things everyday! what about the first blade I showed...would that considered some form of artifact and not a purposely made marking?

30th December 2016, 08:05 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Green, pics will not be of any use to me, I need the thing in my hand, and a 3X loupe in my eye. Jean, to you these marks may be something to be investigated, analysed, given careful thought, and then a decision made. To me they are as clear as reading a sentence that I have already read many, many times. I've even been guilty of writing that sentence once, when I was about 13 or 14 years old. These marks were made by the blade being clamped into a holding device. That device is usually a bench vice, but some hand tools do leave a similar imprint.