Keris with Two Pamor??

David · 16th December 2016, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul de Souza

Is it a case of "sloppy" or "bungled" manufacture since the pamor on the different sides of the blade are different. Is it a typical or acceptable Javanese practice within the context of its keris culture?

Paul, YOU spamming??? It would never even cross my mind.
As Kai has pointed out different pamor on each side of a blade is indeed quite intentional and acceptable in Javanese practice. Dwi Warna actually refers to having two different pamors on the same side of a blade. When a different pamor appears of each side of a blade it is called "tangkis" and the general purpose of such blades is as a protection against black magick.

A. G. Maisey · 17th December 2016, 05:42 AM

As David has said, this is pamor tangkis, and it is a specific protection against black magic.

The last blade that I know of that was made with this pamor, and with the protective intent, rather than as a work of art or a dress keris, was finished in about 1988.

This may be a Madura blade, but if it is, I think Madura Sepuh. In fact I cannot see sufficient indication to call this as Madura. To my eye it looks more like a North Coast blade. But in any case, I'd need to see it a lot better than I can in these pics, and would probably need it in my hand before I'd call it anything.

"sawijadi siaka" makes no sense to me.

Paul de Souza · 14th May 2018, 02:48 PM

Better pictures I hope.

Jean · 14th May 2018, 03:14 PM

IMO the pamor patterns are Lar Gangsir Wengkon on one side, and Nunggak Semi/ Ngulit Semangka (or just Ngulit Semangka) on the other but different opinions are welcome.
Regards

Sajen · 14th May 2018, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

IMO the pamor patterns are Lar Gangsir Wengkon on one side, and Nunggak Semi/ Ngulit Semangka (or just Ngulit Semangka) on the other but different opinions are welcome.

Agree with Jean. Nice keris tangkis. I doubt the Madura origin.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 14th May 2018, 08:07 PM

Here a few fast taken pictures from my own keris tangkis.

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17th December 2016, 05:42 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	As David has said, this is pamor tangkis, and it is a specific protection against black magic. The last blade that I know of that was made with this pamor, and with the protective intent, rather than as a work of art or a dress keris, was finished in about 1988. This may be a Madura blade, but if it is, I think Madura Sepuh. In fact I cannot see sufficient indication to call this as Madura. To my eye it looks more like a North Coast blade. But in any case, I'd need to see it a lot better than I can in these pics, and would probably need it in my hand before I'd call it anything. "sawijadi siaka" makes no sense to me.

14th May 2018, 03:14 PM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	IMO the pamor patterns are Lar Gangsir Wengkon on one side, and Nunggak Semi/ Ngulit Semangka (or just Ngulit Semangka) on the other but different opinions are welcome. Regards