Meteorite iron?

David · 24th September 2016, 12:35 AM

Cal, while i don't want you to get the idea that this will always be the answer, but you will literally find pages upon pages of previous discussion on the subject of meteoric keris blades in our archives. I would recommend that you place "Meteorite Keris" in our search engine and have fun with the long read ahead.

A. G. Maisey · 24th September 2016, 02:10 AM

The definitive reference for an answer to this question is a paper by Bennet Bronson that was published in "Historical Metallurgy", Vol. 21, No.1, 1987. The paper is "Terrestrial and Meteoritic Nickel in the Indonesian Kris".

Very briefly, if the keris is not a very high class Central Javanese keris made between about 1800 and 1930 it is extremely unlikely to contain meteoritic material.

I think Mpu Djeno made a keris containing meteoritic material, Pande Keris Yantono and I made two during the 1990's, I think a couple more have been made since 2000.

Keris containing meteorite are very scarce and extremely expensive.

NotoriousCal · 24th September 2016, 02:47 AM

Thank you both for your reply. I would think that a keris would be more expensive having meteorite. I definitely would want one if I could find one.

Jean · 24th September 2016, 09:25 AM

Hello Alan,
You are killing the dreams of many collectors!

A. G. Maisey · 24th September 2016, 01:16 PM

Jean, love is only real when it recognises deficiencies and accepts them.

David · 24th September 2016, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Jean, love is only real when it recognises deficiencies and accepts them.

So true...though i am not sure that i recognize the lack of meteoric material in any particular keris as a deficiency.

A. G. Maisey · 24th September 2016, 08:32 PM

In a physical sense, of course it is not, David, but in the sense of an additional attribute, most especially for Jean's dreamers, and for salesmen, it may be a severe deficiency.

Jean · 28th September 2016, 08:48 AM

Hello Alan,
Sorry if this subject was raised earlier in the forum but some members of the Solo kris circles claim that meteorite iron was used for making pamor blades besides the Prambanan meteore. From memory they identify it from the prickly touch, look, and "resonance" for those able to feel it.
These 2 blades are examples of what they identify as made from meteoric pamor, what do you think?
Regards

Sajen · 24th September 2016, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Alan,
You are killing the dreams of many collectors!

And the business of many ebay sellers!

Sajen · 24th September 2016, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I think Mpu Djeno made a keris containing meteoritic material...

This is consistent with my informations.

24th September 2016, 02:47 AM	#3
NotoriousCal Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 24	Thanks Thank you both for your reply. I would think that a keris would be more expensive having meteorite. I definitely would want one if I could find one.

28th September 2016, 08:48 AM	#8
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Alan, Sorry if this subject was raised earlier in the forum but some members of the Solo kris circles claim that meteorite iron was used for making pamor blades besides the Prambanan meteore. From memory they identify it from the prickly touch, look, and "resonance" for those able to feel it. These 2 blades are examples of what they identify as made from meteoric pamor, what do you think? Regards Attached Images

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24th September 2016, 12:35 AM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Cal, while i don't want you to get the idea that this will always be the answer, but you will literally find pages upon pages of previous discussion on the subject of meteoric keris blades in our archives. I would recommend that you place "Meteorite Keris" in our search engine and have fun with the long read ahead.

24th September 2016, 02:10 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	The definitive reference for an answer to this question is a paper by Bennet Bronson that was published in "Historical Metallurgy", Vol. 21, No.1, 1987. The paper is "Terrestrial and Meteoritic Nickel in the Indonesian Kris". Very briefly, if the keris is not a very high class Central Javanese keris made between about 1800 and 1930 it is extremely unlikely to contain meteoritic material. I think Mpu Djeno made a keris containing meteoritic material, Pande Keris Yantono and I made two during the 1990's, I think a couple more have been made since 2000. Keris containing meteorite are very scarce and extremely expensive.

24th September 2016, 09:25 AM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Alan, You are killing the dreams of many collectors!

24th September 2016, 01:16 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Jean, love is only real when it recognises deficiencies and accepts them.

24th September 2016, 08:32 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	In a physical sense, of course it is not, David, but in the sense of an additional attribute, most especially for Jean's dreamers, and for salesmen, it may be a severe deficiency.