Ottoman hancer / court dagger?

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Kubur

a nail in the hilt to fix the blade.

What you call a "nail" appears to me to be a rivet, hammered into place, it just does not have a decorative cover to hide it.

Here is a traditionally hilted Ottoman court dagger with a damaged hilt, this is probably what happened to the one I just bought, the hilt was damaged and replaced with a jambiya hilt. This is a rare image showing the tang within the hilt.

[mariusgmioc]

or another one in better shape

[Oliver Pinchot]

The word "hancer" is modern Turkish and just means a dagger. It is from Arabic "khanjar," and is pronounced "HON-jer." Academically, it is used to distinguish Ottoman daggers from others.

Incidentally, the well-known Ottoman yataghan (yatagan, with a soft G in Turkish) takes its name for the Turkish verb yatmak , which means to lie, or repose. This is due to the fact that the yatagan was typically worn perpendicular, or nearly perpendicular, to the waist.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

The word "hancer" is modern Turkish and just means a dagger. It is from Arabic "khanjar," and is pronounced "HON-jer." Academically, it is used to distinguish Ottoman daggers from others.

Incidentally, the well-known Ottoman yataghan (yatagan, with a soft G in Turkish) takes its name for the Turkish verb yatmak , which means to lie, or repose. This is due to the fact that the yatagan was typically worn perpendicular, or nearly perpendicular, to the waist.

Thank you very much Oliver!

[mariusgmioc]

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[estcrh]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

or another one in better shape

Nice one, is it yours?

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Nice one, is it yours?

Yep! Luckily got it a couple of months ago.

I still don't know whether it is wootz or not, but I am going to try etching it soon.

PS: I tried to send you a private message but it appears your mailbox is full.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

What a blade this is!

The scabbard will be relatively new...accepted... The hilt however is massively worn and under scrutiny has the same criss cross pattern as the golden work on the blade as has the crossguard. The massive wear on the hilt thus gives age to the original hilt and blade. May this be a snapped sword recovered and made at the time 17th/18tyh C. A masterwork in recycling...spoils of war?

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

What a blade this is!

The scabbard will be relatively new...accepted... The hilt however is massively worn and under scrutiny has the same criss cross pattern as the golden work on the blade as has the crossguard. The massive wear on the hilt thus gives age to the original hilt and blade. May this be a snapped sword recovered and made at the time 17th/18tyh C. A masterwork in recycling...spoils of war?

I am not sure if the Ottomans had swords of this type, I have only seen this shape as a dagger. One question I do have is how far back can the large I shaped hilt type be traced back, if the blade could be 18th century was this type of hilt also used during this time period?

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by estcrh

I am not sure if the Ottomans had swords of this type, I have only seen this shape as a dagger. One question I do have is how far back can the large I shaped hilt type be traced back, if the blade could be 18th century was this type of hilt also used during this time period?

I think this form of hilt goes way back...certainly a couple of centuries. See https://www.google.com/search?q=hist...pBLfuIAWqmM%3A for other examples.. The word Khanjar from which came Hancer appeared in weapon descriptions in India / Persia in the 16th Century. (According to the Met.) The blade style is Ottoman probably made as such and not reclaimed off a broken sword however for such weapons it was common that winner takes all and after a battle weapons were recycled from those taken from enemies on the battlefield... but as I say this form was an Ottoman type..