Yataghan for translation and comment

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Miguel

Well said Marius. Iwas wondering if you have had a chance to research the Yataghan in your new book and if so have you found if it is Balkan or not?
Regards
Miguel

Hello Miguel,

Based on comparisons with some pieces in Elgood's book, it may be from Crete. However, I am not sure about that because of other distinctive characteristics. Moreover, I am not sure that Elgood's geographical attribution can be considered for reference as it appears to be based more on anectodal evidence.

To me is quite clear that styles and crafts traveled throughout the Ottoman empire and it may be impossible to accurately locate a point of origin.

[eftihis]

Well, certainly it is not from Crete, and i do not think is from any other Greek place either.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by eftihis

Well, certainly it is not from Crete, and i do not think is from any other Greek place either.

Quite possible! That was my first impression too, but then after looking into Elgood's book, I thought that maybe Crete.

Thank you very much for your suggestion!

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Hello Miguel,

Based on comparisons with some pieces in Elgood's book, it may be from Crete. However, I am not sure about that because of other distinctive characteristics. Moreover, I am not sure that Elgood's geographical attribution can be considered for reference as it appears to be based more on anectodal evidence.

To me is quite clear that styles and crafts traveled throughout the Ottoman empire and it may be impossible to accurately locate a point of origin.

Hello Marius,

I think you may be right which is frustrating at times but is all part of the enjoyment of the researching process I have just ordered the book as I have always been satisfied with the quality of Elgood`s research and hope I am not disappointed as I have noted some criticisms with this book which is something I have not seen about his previous works. At any rate they have not put me off and I look forward to receiving it. I still think that your Yataghan may be Turkish
Regards
Miguel

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Miguel

Hello Marius,

I still think that your Yataghan may be Turkish

Regards
Miguel

Thank you very much for your oppinion! That was my first thought too.

Well, have a look at Elgood's book and let me know what you think afterwards!

Have a nice weekend!

[Miguel]

Will gladly offer my opinion when I have received and had a chance to study its content, Hope to receive later this week.
Till then
Miguel

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Thank you very much for your oppinion! That was my first thought too.

Well, have a look at Elgood's book and let me know what you think afterwards!

Have a nice weekend!

Hi Marius, sorry for the delayed reply my book got lost but now I have it and looked at the Cretan Yataghans I see why you thought it may be from there as there are similarities, I really don't know what to think. It still feels Turkish to me but I think your earlier comment about possibly never being able to establish the true origin may prove to be correct. It is a pity that no one has been able to offer a translation it is such a splendid piece.
Regards
Miguel

[Kubur]

Hi,
It's not a Greek yataghan, I think it's a Turkish one.
I attach some photos of a Greek one, sold recently.
One of the most beautifull that I have ever seen (look at the church on the scabbard). And it's funny to see that the blade is Ottoman...of course...
Unfortunatly I don't have any photo of the complete sword...
Sorry it's not mine but i wish...
Kubur

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi,
It's not a Greek yataghan, I think it's a Turkish one.
I attach some photos of a Greek one, sold recently.
One of the most beautifull that I have ever seen (look at the church on the scabbard). And it's funny to see that the blade is Ottoman...of course...
Unfortunatly I don't have any photo of the complete sword...
Sorry it's not mine but i wish...
Kubur

Beautiful indeed! Thank you very much for the photos!


As with regards to the origins of Balkan/Turkish weapons, i am afraid that in too many instances it would be almost impossible to ascertain a precise origin, with reasonable certainty.

We can only say that is an Ottoman Yataghan, probably Turkish... or Balkans... or Greece...

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Beautiful indeed! Thank you very much for the photos!


As with regards to the origins of Balkan/Turkish weapons, i am afraid that in too many instances it would be almost impossible to ascertain a precise origin, with reasonable certainty.

We can only say that is an Ottoman Yataghan, probably Turkish... or Balkans... or Greece...

Hi Marius,
mmmmmmmm...I'll just remove Greece form the Balkan area...
Just my opinion...