Whale Bone Kampilan

[oldschldude]

Originally Posted by Robert

Hello Oldschldude and welcome to the forum. I am in total agreement with what Detlef and Jose have already told you. I did though try to get a little more detail out of your photos. Not much better than the originals, but will have to do until you can post better ones after it arrives.

Best,
Robert

Thanks, Ill put some new ones tomorrow. Also Thanks for peoples reply

[oldschldude]

Originally Posted by oldschldude

Thanks, Ill put some new ones tomorrow. Also Thanks for peoples reply

Hello,
Here's some new pics. Hope this help..Thanks!
P.S.
Just got a few questions. Just curious, Why dated mid to late 19th century and not an (late) 18th century sword (I wish). Is it determined by the chain mail used in the guard introduced during that time/ moro armour. Filipino whalers during that time? The wideness of mouth of crocodile on the hilt(shape of hilt)? Shape of blade?

Regards,
Oldschldude

[drac2k]

What a fantastic sword !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[carlos]

Congratulations! Is a very beautiful sword , the kampilans are my favoutite swords !! And with whale bone ...my envy is great! !!
Thanks
Carlos

[oldschldude]

Thanks for everyone's inputs and kind words. Oldschldude.

[Battara]

Originally Posted by oldschldude

Just got a few questions. Just curious, Why dated mid to late 19th century and not an (late) 18th century sword (I wish). Is it determined by the chain mail used in the guard introduced during that time/ moro armour. Filipino whalers during that time? The wideness of mouth of crocodile on the hilt(shape of hilt)? Shape of blade?

Regards,
Oldschldude

All good questions. On dating, you do have a good point. It was a safe dating, especially since many I have seen are from this time period. However, after looking once again at the patina on the cross guard,perhaps it could be earlier. Not much is known about these and dating.

[oldschldude]

Originally Posted by Battara

All good questions. On dating, you do have a good point. It was a safe dating, especially since many I have seen are from this time period. However, after looking once again at the patina on the cross guard,perhaps it could be earlier. Not much is known about these and dating.

Thank you Battara for posting pictures and replying to my post. My questions are to help build my knowledge base, based on these subjects.
Thanks again. Oldschldude

[Ian]

Oldschldude:

Very nice kampilan and congrats on finding such a good piece.

I just have one question. Are you sure this hilt is whalebone? Old wood that has dried out and been "weathered" can look very similar. I'm not seeing the porosity in the hilt material that I associate with whale bone, but I can see a longitudinal "grain" that makes me think this is perhaps wood. Also, the carving has remained very crisp for whale bone, which tends to crumble a bit with repeated handling. The cross guard appears to be wood. Whale bone would also be a rather fragile material on which to hang chain mail.

Just a few thoughts.

Ian.

[oldschldude]

Originally Posted by Ian

Oldschldude:

Very nice kampilan and congrats on finding such a good piece.

I just have one question. Are you sure this hilt is whalebone? Old wood that has dried out and been "weathered" can look very similar. I'm not seeing the porosity in the hilt material that I associate with whale bone, but I can see a longitudinal "grain" that makes me think this is perhaps wood. Also, the carving has remained very crisp for whale bone, which tends to crumble a bit with repeated handling. The cross guard appears to be wood. Whale bone would also be a rather fragile material on which to hang chain mail.

Just a few thoughts.

Ian.

Hello Ian,
Thanks for the greetings! Good point there. Yes I'm sure its bone and not wood. I would like to take more close up pictures but its very fragile as the rattan reinforcing the hilt to the guard had already snapped. Although there's a part on the guard where the chain rubbing on the guard had rubbed off the dark patina exposing the bone and polishing the bone. (In one of the pics I already uploaded.) Its also possible to my opinion, that the guard is probably from much stronger part of the whale(or maybe even ivory) hence darker patina and stronger than the hilt as to supporting the chain as you mentioned. Thanks for your reply. Oldscldude.

I've edited this reply cause I found more pics in my phone. In one of the pics I attached, the hilt/handle looks like whale bone grain. One of the pics also is a close up. You could zoom into it. This Kamp is just really really old and needs attention but was stored safely for a long time. Thanks again..oldschldude.

[Battara]

By the look of better pictures, it sure looks bone to me!