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mahratt When in India "died"... 4th February 2016, 04:44 AM

Jim McDougall Interesting topic Mahratt!!... 4th February 2016, 07:14 AM

kronckew i gather it just died out for... 4th February 2016, 10:10 AM

mahratt Of course you're right! I... 4th February 2016, 10:30 AM

kronckew try this:... 4th February 2016, 11:00 AM

mahratt Again, you're right. Thank... 4th February 2016, 11:22 AM

kronckew india and pakistan are still... 4th February 2016, 04:38 PM

mahratt You talk absolutely true. I... 4th February 2016, 06:35 PM

Jim McDougall I agree Mahratt, what... 4th February 2016, 09:55 PM

ariel Jim, The decline in making... 4th February 2016, 11:11 PM

kronckew ariel, what you are saying is... 5th February 2016, 12:09 AM

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estcrh Here is an interesting essay,... 5th February 2016, 12:28 AM

ariel Kronckew: ariel, what you... 5th February 2016, 12:48 AM

mahratt estcrh, thank you for an... 5th February 2016, 04:42 AM

estcrh The authors from the essay I... 5th February 2016, 05:49 AM

mahratt estcrh, thanks again for... 5th February 2016, 06:46 AM

estcrh I believe that the scientists... 5th February 2016, 07:01 AM

VANDOO OFTEN THOSE WHO FORGED STEEL... 5th February 2016, 05:53 AM

mahratt VANDOO, secrets - it is... 5th February 2016, 06:57 AM

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estcrh Steel from Ancient India... 5th February 2016, 07:10 AM

mahratt Thank you, estcrh. This only... 5th February 2016, 07:31 AM

estcrh It is interesting, how could... 5th February 2016, 07:47 AM

mahratt My friend, this is an error -... 5th February 2016, 08:12 AM

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estcrh There are records of many... 5th February 2016, 08:39 AM

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mahratt The captain Masalsky writes... 5th February 2016, 09:37 AM

mahratt Tell me, please, the page... 5th February 2016, 10:11 AM

estcrh Around p265, so how do we... 5th February 2016, 10:31 AM

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mahratt Colleagues, I have found one... 5th February 2016, 01:09 PM

ariel It is virtually impossible to... 5th February 2016, 11:21 PM

ariel It is hopeless to attempt... 5th February 2016, 11:37 PM

mahratt I agree that in your words -... 5th February 2016, 11:56 PM

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estcrh Here is an interesting... 6th February 2016, 05:19 AM

mahratt It is very interesting. Can... 6th February 2016, 09:55 AM

estcrh I believe that information is... 6th February 2016, 10:33 AM

mahratt Thank you! But there is a... 6th February 2016, 11:10 AM

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mahratt Masalsky, judging by his... 5th February 2016, 11:43 PM

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estcrh P.M. sent. Is there any... 6th February 2016, 04:51 AM

mahratt Masalsky wrote in his article... 6th February 2016, 12:07 PM

mahratt Once again, I re-read the... 6th February 2016, 02:04 PM

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estcrh Asking the Earth: Farms,... 6th February 2016, 02:41 PM

mahratt estcrh, I was very interested... 6th February 2016, 07:55 PM

estcrh I have not seen any mention... 9th February 2016, 02:44 AM

mahratt Thank you. I understood you. ... 9th February 2016, 03:12 AM

estcrh Links for you. ... 9th February 2016, 03:40 AM

mahratt Thank you very much my... 9th February 2016, 03:49 AM

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estcrh The Encyclopaedia of Islam,... 9th February 2016, 12:36 PM

mahratt Thank you! Do I understand... 9th February 2016, 01:14 PM

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estcrh That is how I understand it,... 9th February 2016, 01:18 PM

mahratt Yes exactly. Because 1840 -... 9th February 2016, 01:32 PM

mahratt Tell me, please, this passage... 9th February 2016, 01:35 PM

estcrh Page 973 One question I... 9th February 2016, 01:43 PM

mahratt Many thanks! This is a... 9th February 2016, 01:59 PM

estcrh By Manouchehr Moshtagh... 11th February 2016, 12:19 PM

mahratt estcrh, I read a books last... 15th February 2016, 10:49 AM

estcrh Then the same thing that... 15th February 2016, 10:52 AM

mahratt I think in Persia this... 15th February 2016, 11:11 AM

Battara I'm thinking that this is the... 15th February 2016, 04:14 PM

ariel ... and still unable to... 15th February 2016, 05:37 PM

mahratt You're right, Battara. The... 15th February 2016, 06:35 PM

Jens Nordlunde Maharatt, It seem to me,... 15th February 2016, 09:36 PM

mahratt Jens, it's not that no one on... 15th February 2016, 11:08 PM

Jens Nordlunde mahratt, Yes you are right,... 16th February 2016, 12:42 PM

mahratt Jens, I'm sorry for seditious... 16th February 2016, 01:15 PM

Jens Nordlunde Yes there really are many... 16th February 2016, 01:27 PM

estcrh This is quite true, the... 16th February 2016, 06:50 PM

ariel I am sure more info might be... 16th February 2016, 07:28 PM

mahratt Dating of wootz blades - very... 16th February 2016, 09:08 PM

Bob A Is it safe, then, to assume... 17th February 2016, 12:01 AM

estcrh There is a lot to be learned... 17th February 2016, 02:33 AM

mahratt estcrh, Your words -... 17th February 2016, 03:33 AM

ariel Do you have verifiable... 17th February 2016, 04:31 AM

mahratt What we believe the very end... 17th February 2016, 07:16 AM

ariel OK, folks! Why wouldn't we... 17th February 2016, 12:43 PM

mahratt Why reduce everything to... 17th February 2016, 02:04 PM

ariel There is such thing as ... 17th February 2016, 04:31 PM

kronckew other than a large number of... 17th February 2016, 04:32 PM

Jim McDougall It seems to me that this... 17th February 2016, 07:34 PM

mahratt Jim, thanks for a reasonable... 17th February 2016, 07:48 PM

estcrh Jim, I was thinking the same... 17th February 2016, 08:49 PM

ariel I agree. This discussion... 18th February 2016, 11:26 AM

mahratt Thank you, ariel. Your... 18th February 2016, 12:05 PM

ariel No sense putting words I... 18th February 2016, 01:09 PM

mahratt Why this verbal swordplay? ... 18th February 2016, 02:58 PM

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ariel Mahratt, Please, I am... 18th February 2016, 05:02 PM

mahratt I do not understand, why... 18th February 2016, 05:43 PM

Emanuel Sorry to butt in, I have not... 18th February 2016, 07:29 PM

mahratt Hello, Emanuel! You asked... 18th February 2016, 08:43 PM

Jim McDougall Now that's what I'm talking... 18th February 2016, 09:05 PM

ariel Jim, As to your interest in... 18th February 2016, 11:50 PM

mahratt About the book mr. Khorasani... 19th February 2016, 04:34 AM

Jim McDougall Ariel, thank you for taking... 19th February 2016, 05:50 AM

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mahratt I found another interesting... 19th February 2016, 07:19 AM

ariel Jim, India is currently #4... 19th February 2016, 10:58 AM

mahratt Jim, I always thought that... 19th February 2016, 12:38 PM

Jim McDougall Good points Ariel, the... 19th February 2016, 03:42 PM

Emanuel I am in general agreement... 19th February 2016, 04:29 PM

ariel Emanuel and Jim, Agree. I... 19th February 2016, 05:33 PM

mahratt Emanuel, Jim, I understand... 19th February 2016, 06:46 PM

Jim McDougall Still remaining intrigued by... 19th February 2016, 11:28 PM

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estcrh Jim, I believe that tools and... 20th February 2016, 04:01 AM

Jim McDougall Thank you Estcrh! That makes... 20th February 2016, 04:23 AM

estcrh Jim, part of the difficulty... 20th February 2016, 05:57 AM

Emanuel Just a quick clarification.... 20th February 2016, 11:30 PM

ariel +1. As to the... 20th February 2016, 11:50 PM

Jim McDougall This is totally amazing guys!... 21st February 2016, 03:18 AM

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Battara Here is some other... 21st February 2016, 04:46 AM

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estcrh Emanual, my understanding is... 21st February 2016, 06:51 AM

mahratt 1) I have already given a... 21st February 2016, 05:23 AM

kronckew cold stats. let us not forget... 21st February 2016, 08:26 AM

ariel Kronckew, You are correct:... 21st February 2016, 02:35 PM

Emanuel I hope our forum smiths do... 21st February 2016, 04:03 PM

estcrh Emanuel, I have never seen an... 21st February 2016, 04:15 PM

mahratt Yes, it is. And, too, there... 21st February 2016, 04:56 PM

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estcrh Microstructure of Steels and... 21st February 2016, 05:04 PM

ariel The issue of inherent ingot... 21st February 2016, 06:23 PM

Emanuel No Eric, of course I am not... 21st February 2016, 08:45 PM

mahratt It is a common misconception.... 21st February 2016, 10:54 PM

Jim McDougall It sounds to me like Pavel... 22nd February 2016, 02:17 AM

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ariel Jim, Anosov shoud be... 22nd February 2016, 03:09 AM

mahratt Anosov received high quality... 22nd February 2016, 08:54 AM

ariel I would love to see a... 22nd February 2016, 12:15 PM

Emanuel Verhoeven always merits a... 22nd February 2016, 02:21 PM

Jim McDougall Ariel, I must thank you for... 22nd February 2016, 05:23 PM

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mahratt I do not support reading... 22nd February 2016, 09:14 PM

Jens Nordlunde mahratt, I am wondering why... 22nd February 2016, 09:31 PM

mahratt Jens, forgive me. I do not... 22nd February 2016, 09:45 PM

ariel I have shown pictures of 2... 22nd February 2016, 09:47 PM

mahratt I showed pages of authentic... 22nd February 2016, 10:06 PM

Jim McDougall The excellent entries... 22nd February 2016, 10:32 PM

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ariel The REAL modern wootz! I... 22nd February 2016, 10:45 PM

estcrh Here is a link to an... 23rd February 2016, 12:46 AM

Emanuel Mind you, my comment is... 23rd February 2016, 12:55 AM

ariel Indeed, magnificent! Just... 23rd February 2016, 01:18 AM

ALEX Ariel, I do not believe the... 23rd February 2016, 01:04 PM

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ALEX ... just to be clear on who's... 23rd February 2016, 01:45 PM

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ALEX here's closeup of a modern... 23rd February 2016, 01:54 PM

Jim McDougall Ibrahiim, thank you for that... 23rd February 2016, 07:40 PM

ariel I contacted Kirill Rivkin and... 25th February 2016, 12:06 AM

mahratt Ariel, thank you very much... 25th February 2016, 04:02 AM

Rashka Vatnik Kirill Rivkin is right! 25th February 2016, 03:06 PM

mahratt Please forgive me. You might... 25th February 2016, 03:43 PM

estcrh It is unfortunate that images... 25th February 2016, 03:59 PM

Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams All, ... 25th February 2016, 05:39 PM

ariel Yet another example of... 25th February 2016, 06:54 PM

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estcrh Another reference about... 25th February 2016, 07:42 PM

ariel Estcrh: Kirk and rose are... 25th February 2016, 10:37 PM

Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams Jim. Thank you... 25th February 2016, 01:29 PM

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estcrh This shows that an ingot of... 25th February 2016, 02:49 PM

Emanuel Cool thanks Eric. Greg... 25th February 2016, 03:16 PM

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estcrh I have read several theories... 25th February 2016, 03:42 PM

ariel Ibrahiim, This blurb from... 25th February 2016, 06:51 PM

Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams Ariel, I am late in... 27th February 2016, 05:48 PM

ariel I have yet to see a single... 27th February 2016, 08:27 PM

Jim McDougall I wonder if it is just me, or... 27th February 2016, 09:09 PM

Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams Jim, Yes indeed it... 28th February 2016, 10:49 AM

Jim McDougall Excellent analogy Ibrahiim!!!... 29th February 2016, 04:13 PM

ariel Glad this discussion was of... 29th February 2016, 07:30 PM

Richard Furrer I have not tested any old... 4th March 2016, 06:28 PM

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estcrh Dagger with wootz steel blade... 23rd February 2016, 03:31 PM

ALEX Wootz is refferred as Bulat... 23rd February 2016, 04:56 PM

ariel Alex, King Erekle saber is... 23rd February 2016, 05:25 PM

ALEX Ariel, Is that closeup... 23rd February 2016, 05:54 PM

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Emanuel Have a read through what the... 23rd February 2016, 07:11 PM

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estcrh Emanual, there does seem to... 25th February 2016, 01:31 AM

ariel Good example. His wootz... 25th February 2016, 02:27 AM

ALEX Ariel, what this opinion is... 25th February 2016, 09:28 AM

ariel Alex, The only info I... 25th February 2016, 10:53 AM

ALEX Ariel, I can tell you with... 25th February 2016, 11:25 AM

Emanuel Other way around Ariel. The... 25th February 2016, 02:37 PM

ariel That's exactly what I meant.... 25th February 2016, 06:42 PM

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estcrh Here is the new replica sword... 23rd February 2016, 07:10 PM

Gavin Nugent Very early in the 19th... 25th February 2016, 10:51 PM

ALEX Yes, just another variation.... 26th February 2016, 03:28 AM

ariel This topic was duplicated on... 26th February 2016, 04:31 AM

mahratt In Russian forum guns.ru, I... 26th February 2016, 06:47 AM

ariel Russian colleagues have... 26th February 2016, 11:18 AM

mahratt One of the participants in... 26th February 2016, 01:23 PM

Emanuel Anosov's Memoir "On... 26th February 2016, 03:51 PM

ariel Emanuel, That's the... 26th February 2016, 04:35 PM

Emanuel Quite the impasse then Ariel.... 26th February 2016, 04:46 PM

ariel I wouldn't be so pessimistic.... 26th February 2016, 05:17 PM

Jim McDougall Me too!!! Then I could sleep... 26th February 2016, 09:49 PM

ariel +1. Fulad in Persian, Wootz... 26th February 2016, 10:29 PM

mahratt If read the research Anosov,... 27th February 2016, 08:41 AM

ausjulius after reading though this... 17th April 2016, 04:15 AM

ariel Exactly my thoughts. 17th April 2016, 08:12 AM

mahratt I see no one reads closely to... 17th April 2016, 10:55 AM

ariel How does "middle of the 19th... 17th April 2016, 01:21 PM

mahratt To make it clearer. The... 17th April 2016, 06:52 PM

ariel I fully agree: wootz... 17th April 2016, 08:04 PM

mahratt The fact that someone has not... 17th April 2016, 08:26 PM

ariel Yup, I am into old dogmas of... 17th April 2016, 10:00 PM

mahratt Do not worry. Once an article... 17th April 2016, 10:39 PM

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mahratt Thank you, Emanuel!!! 22nd February 2016, 11:04 PM

Emanuel Here is an excerpt from Ann... 22nd February 2016, 10:47 PM

Jim McDougall Very well said Emanuel!!!... 22nd February 2016, 10:56 PM

Jim McDougall Excellent, and thank you guys... 21st February 2016, 05:15 PM

Ibrahiim al Balooshi Salaams All, There is... 23rd February 2016, 12:06 PM

ariel Jim, I agree with Estcrh. ... 20th February 2016, 04:45 AM

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mahratt I apologize. As I write in... 17th February 2016, 07:36 PM

Jim McDougall Ariel, thank you for the well... 5th February 2016, 02:36 AM

mahratt Jim, it's not a very... 5th February 2016, 04:30 AM

Roland_M According to old sources in... 7th March 2016, 12:21 PM

Richard Furrer Roland, Then why were so many... 7th March 2016, 03:01 PM

ariel Richard, Perhaps,... 7th March 2016, 03:22 PM

Jim McDougall Thank you Richard for... 7th March 2016, 04:55 PM

Richard Furrer Jim, I have been smithing... 7th March 2016, 11:55 PM

ariel Richard, Thanks for the... 8th March 2016, 02:52 AM

mahratt One simple question. Where... 8th March 2016, 05:08 PM

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estcrh Roland, actually crucible... 8th March 2016, 03:26 AM

ariel Not every steel obtained by... 8th March 2016, 04:46 AM

kronckew english crucible steel was... 8th March 2016, 06:37 PM

ariel True enough. 8th March 2016, 08:40 PM

Battara A very good point Kronckew! 8th March 2016, 08:51 PM

estcrh Why was The Russian... 4th February 2016, 02:09 PM

mahratt I'm not saying that the wootz... 4th February 2016, 02:44 PM

Jim McDougall Kronckew and Estcrh , you... 4th February 2016, 04:15 PM

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Bob A Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 436	Is it safe, then, to assume that an object made with Wootz steel can be dated as pre-1900, absent any other data?

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