Identification help?

[iskender]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

hi Iskender,

yes correct, for rapiers there are left and right hand versions, this is indicated by the known inner and outer guard types which are mirrored so that the rapier can be used for the left hand.



Just as today there are left and right handed people, the above sword is a sword for a left handed guy, this has nothing to do with a left handed dagger. besides the length is too large for that.

best,
Jasper

Thanks for the information! iskender

[corrado26]

I found at a German dealer the sword shown by the fotos attached. It is described as German about 1560 and shows very similar details to the piece in question. But look at its hilt, it differs very much! So I am still convinced that the sword in question is a fake!
corrado26

[cornelistromp]

Hi Corrado,

Iam sorry but what you're saying in above post makes absolutely no sense.

the innerguard you posted is another inner guard type; Norman type 17.
Further, an inner guard type is not limited to a specific type of hilt, but may occur at different type of hilts over a longer time span.

For example, see the attachement a two-handed sword from 1540 with the same type of inner guard, type 21, as the one under discussion, but for the right hand. so this innerguard was already in use 100years earlier as the sword of post 1.
and this type of sword hilt type 43 (1550-1630) in a paining The Company of Captain Rosecrans by Cornelis Ketel, 1588. the innerguard is probably of type 18 or 20.

it's fine that you think the sword is a fake, but you need to come up with more convincing substantiation!

best,
jasper

[CSinTX]

Originally Posted by corrado26

I found at a German dealer the sword shown by the fotos attached.

Is this a Fricker sword? Lots to be suspect of there. In my opinion they are both modern builds.

[Cathey]

Hi Guys

I have been watching this thread with interest and also support the view that the sword is original.

I think that given the quality and quantity of questionable rapiers on the market as collectors we may be becoming jaded. What I mean is that we expect every rapier we see to be a fake, I know I have been guilty of this on many occasions.

Both Rex and I have probably walked away from some good swords over the years just because we went in assuming something will be wrong with it and then convinced ourselves that something was.

Nice sword and I also support the left handed theory.

Cheers Cathey and Rex

[ulfberth]

Originally Posted by Cathey

Hi Guys

I have been watching this thread with interest and also support the view that the sword is original.

I think that given the quality and quantity of questionable rapiers on the market as collectors we may be becoming jaded. What I mean is that we expect every rapier we see to be a fake, I know I have been guilty of this on many occasions.

Both Rex and I have probably walked away from some good swords over the years just because we went in assuming something will be wrong with it and then convinced ourselves that something was.

Nice sword and I also support the left handed theory.

Cheers Cathey and Rex

This is exactly why we need detailed pictures, I do have concerns about this sword but the pictures are just not clear enough to come to a conclusion, neither the one ore the other.
However it has been shown and explained before on this very forum and in great detail and in all the relevant context, but sometimes people just believe what they want to believe.

Kind regards

Ulfberth