Sword for ID

Jim McDougall · 18th January 2016, 10:21 PM

Excellent perspective Ulfberth!!!
With these kinds of prices it is easy to imagine why there are a good number of interpretations of these rare French swords produced in recent times and important to examine them carefully as you describe.
It is really hard to do from photos.

fernando · 19th January 2016, 03:42 PM

Thank you Ulfberth,
I have browsed the net since i knew what this sword is about and also found originals with fabulous prices. The thing is i don't know wHether the example i posted is a reproduction; the blade being from a later date is a bad start. Besides, it seems as the originals had a Weyersberg blade and not a Klingenthal one. Also i see that copies are being made for a rather low price. I will have to hold this item in hands to try and appreciate its intrinsic value.

ulfberth · 19th January 2016, 04:02 PM

Hi Fernando,

If you zoom in to the picture of the guard you posted, look at the casting lines were the foliage is, rough structures and small holes are evidence from re-casting. More detailed pics would of course help to detect this more clearly.
Another difference are the Lilies , the are too wide on the base of the cross, on the saber of the Hutin collection the have a more narrow base, these are just a few small details that uncover hasty work fore economical reasons.

kind regards

Ulfberth

fernando · 19th January 2016, 05:06 PM

Thanks for the hints, ulfberth

ulfberth · 19th January 2016, 05:27 PM

Your welcome Fernando,
The fake in HH was made with an original blade of a 1854 model cuirassiers sabre.

The blade of the one you posted should look like the blades in the left pics, just compare the beginning of the fullers.
Some poorly made Indian copies have blades in the that if you bend them, they stay bended , these blade have a different color and look more like aluminum.

kind regards
Ulfberth

Gavin Nugent · 20th January 2016, 12:43 AM

Thank you Ulfberth, subtleties I did not at first pick up when viewing Aries.

With thanks

Gavin

ulfberth · 20th January 2016, 09:15 AM

Hello Gavin,

Your welcome, I only learned the fine subtleties after making mistakes.
All the type of sabres of Maison du Roi are of extreme high and fine quality, the casting is sharp and withouth faults and the old manner of fire gilding is of the best quality and looks totaly different from electrolytic gilding. Here is another one from the first restauration period from the Garde Du Corps Du Roi, I think the difference of the details are speaking for themselves
80 % of the fakes have electrolytic gilding.
I believe that the sabre of the thread is for sale on , armae... It has the same abrupt starting fullers, the same collor of blade, and dito broad lelies at the base of the cross of course here the casting faults are largely covered with electrolytic gilding
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/sa...son_du_Roi.htm

kind regards

Ulfberth

19th January 2016, 04:02 PM	#3
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 439	Hi Fernando, If you zoom in to the picture of the guard you posted, look at the casting lines were the foliage is, rough structures and small holes are evidence from re-casting. More detailed pics would of course help to detect this more clearly. Another difference are the Lilies , the are too wide on the base of the cross, on the saber of the Hutin collection the have a more narrow base, these are just a few small details that uncover hasty work fore economical reasons. kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

19th January 2016, 05:27 PM	#5
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 439	Your welcome Fernando, The fake in HH was made with an original blade of a 1854 model cuirassiers sabre. The blade of the one you posted should look like the blades in the left pics, just compare the beginning of the fullers. Some poorly made Indian copies have blades in the that if you bend them, they stay bended , these blade have a different color and look more like aluminum. kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

20th January 2016, 09:15 AM	#7
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 439	Hello Gavin, Your welcome, I only learned the fine subtleties after making mistakes. All the type of sabres of Maison du Roi are of extreme high and fine quality, the casting is sharp and withouth faults and the old manner of fire gilding is of the best quality and looks totaly different from electrolytic gilding. Here is another one from the first restauration period from the Garde Du Corps Du Roi, I think the difference of the details are speaking for themselves 80 % of the fakes have electrolytic gilding. I believe that the sabre of the thread is for sale on , armae... It has the same abrupt starting fullers, the same collor of blade, and dito broad lelies at the base of the cross of course here the casting faults are largely covered with electrolytic gilding http://www.armae.com/contemporain/sa...son_du_Roi.htm kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

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18th January 2016, 10:21 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	Excellent perspective Ulfberth!!! With these kinds of prices it is easy to imagine why there are a good number of interpretations of these rare French swords produced in recent times and important to examine them carefully as you describe. It is really hard to do from photos.

19th January 2016, 03:42 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Ulfberth, I have browsed the net since i knew what this sword is about and also found originals with fabulous prices. The thing is i don't know wHether the example i posted is a reproduction; the blade being from a later date is a bad start. Besides, it seems as the originals had a Weyersberg blade and not a Klingenthal one. Also i see that copies are being made for a rather low price. I will have to hold this item in hands to try and appreciate its intrinsic value.

19th January 2016, 05:06 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks for the hints, ulfberth

20th January 2016, 12:43 AM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thank you Ulfberth, subtleties I did not at first pick up when viewing Aries. With thanks Gavin