OTTOMAN....What do we mean?

[Sancar]

It is not that confusing actually. Do you have any confusion about using the term "Roman"? Then you shouldn't have any confusion about using the term "Ottoman".

That is the short answer. But if you want the long one... Well it is quite long. Long enough to fill a library actually. There are tons and tons of books written in every language in the world that explains in detail what exactly Ottoman culture and art is, with its own origins, disciplines, styles, evolution and whatnot. Architecture is a part of it, as well as music, literature and plastic arts, so is the arms and armour. I advice anyone interested to read one.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by Sancar

It is not that confusing actually. Do you have any confusion about using the term "Roman"? Then you shouldn't have any confusion about using the term "Ottoman".

That is the short answer. But if you want the long one... Well it is quite long. Long enough to fill a library actually. There are tons and tons of books written in every language in the world that explains in detail what exactly Ottoman culture and art is, with its own origins, disciplines, styles, evolution and whatnot. Architecture is a part of it, as well as music, literature and plastic arts, so is the arms and armour. I advice anyone interested to read one.

I totally agree my Ottoman friend

Kubur

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by Kubur

I totally agree my Ottoman friend

Kubur

I do not disagree with what is written here as we all have our own views, but the point I have tried to make appears to have been missed, judging by the replies above.
What I have tried to point out is that when a question is asked as to ORIGIN of a piece, what is actually being asked is "Where does this piece COME FROM?" It may be Ottoman, and if it is, what particular country within what was the Ottoman Empire does it come from? I am not looking for a particular town as has been highlighted by some, but the likely COUNTRY of origin.
Some of the above replies show that some Members are quite happy to have only a vague idea of where their particular pieces originate. I prefer (where possible), to narrow things down to a particular country or region.
Each to their own I guess......
Stu

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

What I have tried to point out is that when a question is asked as to ORIGIN of a piece, what is actually being asked is "Where does this piece COME FROM?" It may be Ottoman, and if it is, what particular country within what was the Ottoman Empire does it come from?............................... Some of the above replies show that some Members are quite happy to have only a vague idea of where their particular pieces originate. I prefer (where possible), to narrow things down to a particular country or region.
Stu

Stu, the problem is the lack of accurate information on were exactly many "Ottoman" armor and weapon items were manufactured. Most, if not all of us would be very happy to be able to pinpoint what country our items came from, but what sources can be used for this that are accurate and trustworthy?

Here is an example, this war hammer is in my opinion "Ottoman". How can I verify that, what reference will tell me with any certainty that this was manufactured in the Ottoman empire and what country in the Ottoman Empire it originated from. Right now I would probably describe it as "Indo-Persian" (possibly Ottoman)

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Stu, the problem is the lack of accurate information on were exactly many "Ottoman" armor and weapon items were manufactured. Most, if not all of us would be very happy to be able to pinpoint what country our items came from, but what sources can be used for this that are accurate and trustworthy?

Here is an example, this war hammer is in my opinion "Ottoman". How can I verify that, what reference will tell me with any certainty that this was manufactured in the Ottoman empire and what country in the Ottoman Empire it originated from. Right now I would probably describe it as "Indo-Persian" (possibly Ottoman)

Agreed, but with Forum discussion, and looking at the particular features of an item, we MIGHT just arrive at a particular origin point. That would be to the benefit of all....not just Forum Members. If we simply dismiss an item as being Ottoman (or Arabian or Middle Eastern or whatever) we could miss a great opportunity to further our knowledge. Nothing can ever be CERTAIN, but at least hopefully some progress could be made.
Stu

[russel]

I couldn't stop help myself...

[rickystl]

Originally Posted by russel

I couldn't stop help myself...

LOL!!!!!!!