Rubens hunter

Raf · 2nd July 2015, 09:55 AM

A comparison with one of our Algerian toe locks shown cocked and viewed at a similar oblique angle . Surely it has to be a toe lock which is one of the simplest and probably earliest form of snapping type locks . Competitive with the Miguelet in Spain , contemporary with the wheelock in Italy, widely distributed though Russia and primitive versions are still being used in Tibet.

kronckew · 2nd July 2015, 10:32 AM

poor doggie, his feet look like they've been worn out, all the ligaments stretched. one of my doggy rescue friends had a 2 yr., old galgo dog come in with feet like that from running all day behind a romany traveller's wagon.

Fernando K · 2nd July 2015, 08:45 PM

hello

In any case the plate is extended in front of Frizen, which does not happen in the agujet. In addition, there are some migueletes that cock pole is tilted, not straight or depends on the position (half-cock, full-cock)

However, the image can not hazard a review

Affectionately. Fernando

fernando · 2nd July 2015, 10:25 PM

Hi Miqueleter,
You have been long enough with us to know we strongly discourage links to web photo hosts. Links vanish and threads stay ... with blanks

Please care to upload pictures wit the forum attachment features, next time.

Jim McDougall · 3rd July 2015, 12:47 AM

Migueleter, I would like to thank you for opening this thread! While I know little on these guns, I find it fascinating to see these art works analyzed in their content, especially the weaponry. This is an exciting view into history THROUGH the weapons.. and as noted, certain artists seem to have been remarkably accurate in depictions, giving us wonderful context.

The discussion here is most rewarding for those of us who wish to learn more on these arms, and as Fernando has well noted, it is disappointing to lose the illustrations so pertinent to it.

Best regards,
Jim

Shakethetrees · 3rd July 2015, 04:24 AM

Could it be a snaphaunce? The frozen appears to me to be of that type.

kronckew · 3rd July 2015, 06:50 AM

i suspect there is a bit of artistic license in the depiction of the weapon in the painting (and of the dog

).

p.s. -i'd posted (as attachment) a large screen capture of the hunter so we'd have it available in case Miqueleter's link broke. i have since found a much larger image of the whole painting to cut the hunter from & attached it above instead.

p.s. - don't think that helped much, still too little detail of the lock.

2nd July 2015, 09:55 AM	#1
Raf Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 252	A comparison with one of our Algerian toe locks shown cocked and viewed at a similar oblique angle . Surely it has to be a toe lock which is one of the simplest and probably earliest form of snapping type locks . Competitive with the Miguelet in Spain , contemporary with the wheelock in Italy, widely distributed though Russia and primitive versions are still being used in Tibet. Attached Images

2nd July 2015, 10:32 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,281	poor doggie, his feet look like they've been worn out, all the ligaments stretched. one of my doggy rescue friends had a 2 yr., old galgo dog come in with feet like that from running all day behind a romany traveller's wagon. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 3rd July 2015 at 07:09 AM.

3rd July 2015, 06:50 AM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,281	i suspect there is a bit of artistic license in the depiction of the weapon in the painting (and of the dog). p.s. -i'd posted (as attachment) a large screen capture of the hunter so we'd have it available in case Miqueleter's link broke. i have since found a much larger image of the whole painting to cut the hunter from & attached it above instead. p.s. - don't think that helped much, still too little detail of the lock. Last edited by kronckew; 3rd July 2015 at 07:25 AM.

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2nd July 2015, 08:45 PM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	hello In any case the plate is extended in front of Frizen, which does not happen in the agujet. In addition, there are some migueletes that cock pole is tilted, not straight or depends on the position (half-cock, full-cock) However, the image can not hazard a review Affectionately. Fernando

2nd July 2015, 10:25 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Miqueleter, You have been long enough with us to know we strongly discourage links to web photo hosts. Links vanish and threads stay ... with blanks Please care to upload pictures wit the forum attachment features, next time.

3rd July 2015, 12:47 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,833	Migueleter, I would like to thank you for opening this thread! While I know little on these guns, I find it fascinating to see these art works analyzed in their content, especially the weaponry. This is an exciting view into history THROUGH the weapons.. and as noted, certain artists seem to have been remarkably accurate in depictions, giving us wonderful context. The discussion here is most rewarding for those of us who wish to learn more on these arms, and as Fernando has well noted, it is disappointing to lose the illustrations so pertinent to it. Best regards, Jim

3rd July 2015, 04:24 AM	#6
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	Could it be a snaphaunce? The frozen appears to me to be of that type.