Go on...show us your Choora!!

mahratt · 8th June 2015, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Mahratt,
Kurt showed us a dagger with a curved blade. You yourself said that the blade was in a manner of a Persian Pesh Kabz. Which I agree with.
#624 has a straight blade, like all Chooras. Thanks for enlarging the picture: it is very clear to anyone that it is a typical, classic, unequivocal, true etc, etc, - Choora.
How about "end of story" now? One can flog a dead horse only for so long:-)

Objects from S. Kensington exhibition went to V&A Museum, Tower and from there somewhere else. You can contact V&A or Leeds and inquire.

Ariel, do you not see that the blade of the knife under the number 624 is different from the blade of the classical Afghan choora ??? This is seen with the naked eye. I'm afraid you see what you want to see.

So that the "end of history" has a very long time

By the way, Ariel, is you're trying to bring a knife from the directory Egerton, as proof of his rightness, why do not you contact V & A or Leeds? )))

kronckew · 8th June 2015, 05:28 PM

can we at least agree that y'all disagree?

ariel · 8th June 2015, 05:32 PM

Kronckew:

:-) :-)

ariel · 8th June 2015, 05:37 PM

Removed: duplicate

ariel · 8th June 2015, 05:47 PM

In the immortal words of Monty Python:

'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!He's f*ckin' snuffed it!..... THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

What I really admire in Mahratt, is his unwillingness to surrender despite overwhelming odds and incontrovertible facts.

Back to Monty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

mahratt · 8th June 2015, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

What I really admire in Mahratt, is his unwillingness to surrender despite overwhelming odds and incontrovertible facts.

Irrefutable facts - this is a very bold and hasty statement))) Do not rush, Ariel. You can slip and is in the soup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roland_M

Here is my contribution for the discussion.
I am not sure, i think it is from Afghanistan, a very long blade (14,4" blade only), made from fine low contrast wootz.

My opinion is that it is "karud." Khyber knives are another form of blade.

Ian · 8th June 2015, 10:01 PM

Guys:

I would really hate to see this thread shut down. Between the arguing is some really interesting stuff. Tatyana has thrown an extra piece of information into the mix, and I would like to know what comes of that. Others are trying to be helpful by showing their examples of similar weapons.

Passion is fine, but data are better.

Ian.

ariel · 8th June 2015, 11:54 PM

Ian,
I fully agree.

As I said, Tatiana's Choora will have to wait till my fellow is back from vacation, unless somebody wishes to take charge.

Egerton' Choora is a fact and I brought it into discussion. Whoever wishes to join the discussion is more than welcome.

An aside question: some chooras have wootz blades, a real good ones, with a pattern routinely attributed to Persia. Were they reuses? Imports from Persia? Local production? Any examples of Afghani wootz of 20th century? Any hard evidence of Choora manufacture outside the Khyber Pass area?

But... " Just the facts, ma'am"

taube · 11th July 2016, 03:03 PM

Not 100% certain if this belongs here but anyway.
New acquisition from a forum member, thanks again.
I do appreciate its simple design very much.

Cheers,
taube.

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8th June 2015, 05:28 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	can we at least agree that y'all disagree?

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ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Kronckew: :-) :-)

8th June 2015, 05:47 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	In the immortal words of Monty Python: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!He's f*ckin' snuffed it!..... THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!! What I really admire in Mahratt, is his unwillingness to surrender despite overwhelming odds and incontrovertible facts. Back to Monty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

8th June 2015, 10:01 PM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,398	Guys: I would really hate to see this thread shut down. Between the arguing is some really interesting stuff. Tatyana has thrown an extra piece of information into the mix, and I would like to know what comes of that. Others are trying to be helpful by showing their examples of similar weapons. Passion is fine, but data are better. Ian.

8th June 2015, 11:54 PM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Ian, I fully agree. As I said, Tatiana's Choora will have to wait till my fellow is back from vacation, unless somebody wishes to take charge. Egerton' Choora is a fact and I brought it into discussion. Whoever wishes to join the discussion is more than welcome. An aside question: some chooras have wootz blades, a real good ones, with a pattern routinely attributed to Persia. Were they reuses? Imports from Persia? Local production? Any examples of Afghani wootz of 20th century? Any hard evidence of Choora manufacture outside the Khyber Pass area? But... " Just the facts, ma'am"