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spiral · 12th April 2015, 09:51 PM

Not my field, but when I saw it something in the back of my head said Solomon islands...

Must have seen something that echo's that in book or hand at some time...

kronckew · 13th April 2015, 09:45 AM

that was my initial thought so i looked thru vanadoo's series of 'most desired oceanic clubs' series here w/o any luck. did a search on 'solomon' also w/o any success, tho some clubs has a similar pointy end, but stepped where it turned into the grip. i also wondered if it might be amazonian. no luck searching on that either. i'll think of it as 'solomon islands' for the moment.

(or as my antartic penguin club)

Maurice · 13th April 2015, 07:23 PM

The butt end and oval shaped shaft are carved the same as the paddle shaped war clubs from the Solomon islands.

kronckew · 13th April 2015, 08:32 PM

ah, well, solomon islands seems most likely then. i wonder how the penguins got one.

maybe another rennel islander? two attributed to rennell islands:

Maurice · 13th April 2015, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

ah, well, solomon islands seems most likely then. i wonder how the penguins got one.

maybe another rennel islander?

I only noticed the shaft and butt reminds me of Solomon island clubs, but I don't know if it is one.

spiral · 13th April 2015, 08:36 PM

Sounds like were all on the same page eg. Solomon islands..

Kronckew Could the mostly sapwood side of a paddle club have been damaged & then later re shaped to how it looks now?

Of course we must never forget the current Seal/Penguin Antarctic wars..

Rape, genocide & the eating of the enemy victims...

linky

Maurice · 13th April 2015, 08:43 PM

[QUOTE=spiral]

Kronckew Could the mostly sapwood side of a paddle club have been damaged & then later re shaped to how it looks now?
[QUOTE]

I think that this could be likely the case, that it was paddle shaped before the damage, and recarved like this.

fearn · 16th April 2015, 04:38 AM

Sure that it's not student work from Hawai'i? I've seen some interesting modern art pieces in the stores around there selling native artwork. I asked, and while it's made for tourists, it is locally made by native Hawaiians. It's from high school woodworking classes, and they're trying to break into the art scene and make a few bucks.

F

kronckew · 16th April 2015, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral

...

Of course we must never forget the current Seal/Penguin Antarctic wars..

Rape, genocide & the eating of the enemy victims...

linky

horrible. war at it's worst. surely that violates the geneva conventions?

what becomes of the children of such encounters? the children always suffer worst.

p.s. - the reporters did not do their homework. true seals do not have ears & do not 'walk' on their front flippers. sea lions have ears and use their long front flippers for locomotion and holding victims...

i blame the media anti-seal bias. i'm complaining to greenpeace and amnesty international.

Tim Simmons · 16th April 2015, 04:26 PM

I cannot see this as an altered paddle. It appears too thick to be a paddle blade and the shaping is too far off a central axis to have been originally a paddle. Measurements and object comparison would be helpful.

spiral · 16th April 2015, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

sea lions use their long front flippers for locomotion and holding victims...

I blame the media anti-seal bias. i'm complaining to greenpeace and amnesty international.

I could see that...

Personally I think you need to ring prince Charlie & Edward. {using English euphemisms not Yankee ones..

}

Spiral

kronckew · 20th April 2015, 07:00 PM

aha! - club has arrived.

LOA 28 inches / 71 cm. width of blade roughly 4 in. thickness at blade approx. 1 in. weight 430 grams, just under a pound. tip not as damaged as it looks. sharp edges. definitely a club. it looks OLD, many greasy hand have held this and it looks like it's not been cleaned ever. rough polished surface with smoothed over tool marks under the patina. the two circular spots that i thoght may have been holes are not. they are the stubs of nails, one each side, that have been cut off or broken off and smoothed over. the (dirty) string baldric has sailor's knots, a bowline on the blade and two half hitches with an overhand stopper knot on the bitter end.

we seem to be getting a flood of clubs from the rennel islands recently.

13th April 2015, 08:32 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,154	ah, well, solomon islands seems most likely then. i wonder how the penguins got one. maybe another rennel islander? two attributed to rennell islands: Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 13th April 2015 at 08:50 PM.

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12th April 2015, 09:51 PM	#1
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Not my field, but when I saw it something in the back of my head said Solomon islands... Must have seen something that echo's that in book or hand at some time...

13th April 2015, 09:45 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,154	that was my initial thought so i looked thru vanadoo's series of 'most desired oceanic clubs' series here w/o any luck. did a search on 'solomon' also w/o any success, tho some clubs has a similar pointy end, but stepped where it turned into the grip. i also wondered if it might be amazonian. no luck searching on that either. i'll think of it as 'solomon islands' for the moment. (or as my antartic penguin club)

13th April 2015, 07:23 PM	#3
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,324	The butt end and oval shaped shaft are carved the same as the paddle shaped war clubs from the Solomon islands.

13th April 2015, 08:36 PM	#6
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Sounds like were all on the same page eg. Solomon islands.. Kronckew Could the mostly sapwood side of a paddle club have been damaged & then later re shaped to how it looks now? Of course we must never forget the current Seal/Penguin Antarctic wars.. Rape, genocide & the eating of the enemy victims... linky

13th April 2015, 08:43 PM	#7
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,324	[QUOTE=spiral] Kronckew Could the mostly sapwood side of a paddle club have been damaged & then later re shaped to how it looks now? [QUOTE] I think that this could be likely the case, that it was paddle shaped before the damage, and recarved like this.

16th April 2015, 04:38 AM	#8
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Sure that it's not student work from Hawai'i? I've seen some interesting modern art pieces in the stores around there selling native artwork. I asked, and while it's made for tourists, it is locally made by native Hawaiians. It's from high school woodworking classes, and they're trying to break into the art scene and make a few bucks. F

16th April 2015, 04:26 PM	#10
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,747	I cannot see this as an altered paddle. It appears too thick to be a paddle blade and the shaping is too far off a central axis to have been originally a paddle. Measurements and object comparison would be helpful.

20th April 2015, 07:00 PM	#12
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,154	aha! - club has arrived. LOA 28 inches / 71 cm. width of blade roughly 4 in. thickness at blade approx. 1 in. weight 430 grams, just under a pound. tip not as damaged as it looks. sharp edges. definitely a club. it looks OLD, many greasy hand have held this and it looks like it's not been cleaned ever. rough polished surface with smoothed over tool marks under the patina. the two circular spots that i thoght may have been holes are not. they are the stubs of nails, one each side, that have been cut off or broken off and smoothed over. the (dirty) string baldric has sailor's knots, a bowline on the blade and two half hitches with an overhand stopper knot on the bitter end. we seem to be getting a flood of clubs from the rennel islands recently.