A 17th century dagger?

Will M · 20th February 2015, 11:23 PM

Has a nice profile and at least 100 years old.

Is that small mark by the cross guard a mark stamped into it?

M ELEY · 21st February 2015, 05:28 AM

I agree with Will. Perhaps a Victorian-era reproduction of high quality. Hate to use the word 'repro' when describing these types, as (most) were made of very high quality to represent their originals. Created for the astute English gentleman for his trophy room or den when the demand far outreached the supply...

blue lander · 21st February 2015, 05:48 PM

These are the only pictures I have of it. The seller's in Ukraine so it's going to take awhile to get here. Hopefully it's as sturdily made as it looks.

Any idea what kind of dagger it's supposed to be? A main gauche?

Sajen · 21st February 2015, 11:00 PM

Very nice dagger with good age, like it very much!

When you don't like it send it to me.

Regards,
Detlef

blue lander · 22nd February 2015, 12:57 AM

Thanks! I'm not getting my hopes up yet, I'll be surprised if the sale was legit. Besides the super low price, it was the seller's first auction. He also only wanted 12 euros to ship to the us which is the same amount he wanted for western Europe. Just doesn't add up. But the price was low enough to make it worth the risk.

M ELEY · 22nd February 2015, 03:32 AM

With roughly a 12" blade, it could easily be a parrying dagger, especially with the longer quillons. Strictly speaking, the Spanish main gauche had hilts that covered the hand with a semi-basket guard. Not sure if the wooden grip is a replacement or ?. The grip does remind one of some of the Holbein styles of daggers of the same period. Loosely speaking, of course. I'm trying to remember where I've seen the grip style before. Not a Rondel, but perhaps a pattern along the same lines? Dagger experts out there?

M ELEY · 22nd February 2015, 03:48 AM

OPPS! Stand corrected about gauches. Some were indeed 'open', with either a ring guard or just the extended quillons.

Hey Blue, if this piece turns out to be legit, you have got yourself a sweet find! If Victorian repro, its still an excellent deal for the price. If a modern repro, its what you paid and appears quality made. If not shipped at all, ouch!

Take some more closeup pics of the wood hilt when (if!) it arrives. My poor eyes start to see things, like legit aging/patina (??) and possibly worm holes (?). Wormy ash wood was an extremely popular wood used for dagger hilts, pike hafts, etc, back in the day...

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20th February 2015, 11:23 PM	#1
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 394	Has a nice profile and at least 100 years old. Is that small mark by the cross guard a mark stamped into it?

21st February 2015, 05:28 AM	#2
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	I agree with Will. Perhaps a Victorian-era reproduction of high quality. Hate to use the word 'repro' when describing these types, as (most) were made of very high quality to represent their originals. Created for the astute English gentleman for his trophy room or den when the demand far outreached the supply...

21st February 2015, 05:48 PM	#3
blue lander Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456	These are the only pictures I have of it. The seller's in Ukraine so it's going to take awhile to get here. Hopefully it's as sturdily made as it looks. Any idea what kind of dagger it's supposed to be? A main gauche?

21st February 2015, 11:00 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Very nice dagger with good age, like it very much! When you don't like it send it to me. Regards, Detlef

22nd February 2015, 12:57 AM	#5
blue lander Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456	Thanks! I'm not getting my hopes up yet, I'll be surprised if the sale was legit. Besides the super low price, it was the seller's first auction. He also only wanted 12 euros to ship to the us which is the same amount he wanted for western Europe. Just doesn't add up. But the price was low enough to make it worth the risk.

22nd February 2015, 03:32 AM	#6
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	With roughly a 12" blade, it could easily be a parrying dagger, especially with the longer quillons. Strictly speaking, the Spanish main gauche had hilts that covered the hand with a semi-basket guard. Not sure if the wooden grip is a replacement or ?. The grip does remind one of some of the Holbein styles of daggers of the same period. Loosely speaking, of course. I'm trying to remember where I've seen the grip style before. Not a Rondel, but perhaps a pattern along the same lines? Dagger experts out there?

22nd February 2015, 03:48 AM	#7
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	OPPS! Stand corrected about gauches. Some were indeed 'open', with either a ring guard or just the extended quillons. Hey Blue, if this piece turns out to be legit, you have got yourself a sweet find! If Victorian repro, its still an excellent deal for the price. If a modern repro, its what you paid and appears quality made. If not shipped at all, ouch! Take some more closeup pics of the wood hilt when (if!) it arrives. My poor eyes start to see things, like legit aging/patina (??) and possibly worm holes (?). Wormy ash wood was an extremely popular wood used for dagger hilts, pike hafts, etc, back in the day...