Blunderbuss with bayonet

Ken Maddock · 23rd January 2015, 08:37 PM

Hi Stu
Thanks for the information
Were blunderbuss military issue as the GR lock indicates or would the lock be just used as a standard part on civilian guns
I know they were issued to post carriages but otherwise were they just civilian personal defence
I have another blunderbuss barrel in the attic, brass again, but I think the proof marks are different I will have a look
Regards
Ken

Fernando K · 23rd January 2015, 08:39 PM

hello

The presence of two crossed scepters indicates the "private punch" of the Tower. It was the punch that was submitted by manufacturers, to weapons that were destined to the civilian market, not the Crown. The "Board of Ordnance" in the Tower, had his own dyno and submitted this to the barrel bought from private manufacturers and testing also admitted of the barrel for the civilian market. Regulatory weapons they received the punch of the two cross and crowned (in addition to the figure of the reigning monarch) scepters and arms for individuals were receiving the same punch, but applied twice.

The absence in the lock of the actual figure, GR and "broad arrow" indicates that a lock intended to be sold to the Crown use and does not get to be used in a service weapon, and the presence of "private punch "the Tower, which is a weapon intended for the civilian market.

The other punches corresponds to Testbed Birmingham, before 1813

Affectionately. Fernando K
(Sorry for the translator)

kahnjar1 · 23rd January 2015, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Maddock

Hi Stu
Thanks for the information
Were blunderbuss military issue as the GR lock indicates or would the lock be just used as a standard part on civilian guns
I know they were issued to post carriages but otherwise were they just civilian personal defence
I have another blunderbuss barrel in the attic, brass again, but I think the proof marks are different I will have a look
Regards
Ken

Point taken. This could have been used (or made for) one of the "crown" enterprises such as Postal, Customs etc. Not likely military, and the use of the so called Broad Arrow mark is not a "given" anyway. Despite no George number, the proof marks place it as George 3rd.

Fernando K · 23rd January 2015, 11:59 PM

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Fernando K · 24th January 2015, 12:11 AM

Hello

Norman Dixon, "Georgian Pistols"

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Fernando K · 24th January 2015, 12:16 AM

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Fernando K · 24th January 2015, 01:19 PM

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Birmingham proof, after 1813, on blunderbuss

Fernando K

Ken Maddock · 24th January 2015, 03:24 PM

Hi
Thanks all for the information
I have retrieved the barrel from the attic and taken some shots
While I was at it I got a brownbess and took some shots of the proof marks on that for the sake of completion of the tread to see what military markings look like, it is not as rusty as it looks in the photos
All are included in the attached

blunderbuss barrel proof marks followed by an overall shot of the barrel sans gun,
With the Brown Bess in the middle

If anyone has a lock they would like to part with I would love the chance to re build the blunderbuss
All the best
Ken

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Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hello Norman Dixon, "Georgian Pistols" Fernando K Attached Images

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Ken Maddock Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Posts: 104	Hi Thanks all for the information I have retrieved the barrel from the attic and taken some shots While I was at it I got a brownbess and took some shots of the proof marks on that for the sake of completion of the tread to see what military markings look like, it is not as rusty as it looks in the photos All are included in the attached blunderbuss barrel proof marks followed by an overall shot of the barrel sans gun, With the Brown Bess in the middle If anyone has a lock they would like to part with I would love the chance to re build the blunderbuss All the best Ken Attached Images

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23rd January 2015, 08:37 PM	#1
Ken Maddock Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Posts: 104	Hi Stu Thanks for the information Were blunderbuss military issue as the GR lock indicates or would the lock be just used as a standard part on civilian guns I know they were issued to post carriages but otherwise were they just civilian personal defence I have another blunderbuss barrel in the attic, brass again, but I think the proof marks are different I will have a look Regards Ken

23rd January 2015, 08:39 PM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	hello The presence of two crossed scepters indicates the "private punch" of the Tower. It was the punch that was submitted by manufacturers, to weapons that were destined to the civilian market, not the Crown. The "Board of Ordnance" in the Tower, had his own dyno and submitted this to the barrel bought from private manufacturers and testing also admitted of the barrel for the civilian market. Regulatory weapons they received the punch of the two cross and crowned (in addition to the figure of the reigning monarch) scepters and arms for individuals were receiving the same punch, but applied twice. The absence in the lock of the actual figure, GR and "broad arrow" indicates that a lock intended to be sold to the Crown use and does not get to be used in a service weapon, and the presence of "private punch "the Tower, which is a weapon intended for the civilian market. The other punches corresponds to Testbed Birmingham, before 1813 Affectionately. Fernando K (Sorry for the translator)

23rd January 2015, 11:59 PM	#4
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24th January 2015, 12:16 AM	#6
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