Accidental collector - old weapons ID assistance (Yao?)

[spiral]

Great stuff Sajen & indeed Jampot... well spotted!

Its obviously the same chap who brought this one back.



So I think the Yao/ Malawi finding of these is above reproach myself.

Just who made/sold them, is the last bit of the puzzle.

I still think the African trading Company could be plausible! But so could other Indian or British entrepreneurs, The to me seem a bit late in dating for them to be from Arab slave trade, but in truth I guess that carried on a for a long time, just as slavery still does today...

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[Sajen]

Yes, indeed, it seems that we all have been wrong with our believe of Asian origin for this daggers.

[Gavin Nugent]

GOLD STAR Jampot! Great detective work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons

African gets my vote, I have seen this confirmed but I can't recall...Algeria?

Gav

I'll settle for a silver star

Thor might have saved us all the trouble some time back as looking back each and every one looks hippo now that Sajen ponted this out....

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Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons

GOLD STAR Jampot! Great detective work.

Quote:

I'll settle for a silver star

Bronze star I think Gav. Algeria as far away as India from Malawi I reckon!

Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons

Thor might have saved us all the trouble some time back as looking back each and every one looks hippo now that Sajen ponted this out....

Damn... hippo pegs! Wonder what the horn ones are?

Originally Posted by ariel

They were just discussed on a Russian forum Guns.ru

I thought they were SE Asian, but to my chagrin learned they were from West Africa, Yao tribe, Malawi. Apparently concentric circles are a dead giveaway.

Another Gold star for Ariel I think though...



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[ariel]

Thanks, but the Gold goes to my Russian colleagues who identified it. I was just a messenger.

[Richard G]

The good old Pitt Rivers Museum (Oxford) never disappoints.
Regards
Richard
http://databases.prm.ox.ac.uk/fmi/iw...ne&-loadframes

[spiral]

Originally Posted by Richard G

The good old Pitt Rivers Museum (Oxford) never disappoints.
Regards
Richard
http://databases.prm.ox.ac.uk/fmi/iw...ne&-loadframes

Thanks Richard, sadly my pc seems not to work with there database... what software is required to show there data. files?

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[spiral]

Originally Posted by ariel

Thanks, but the Gold goes to my Russian colleagues who identified it. I was just a messenger.

Much research in the classroom is just finding a source. You've still got a gold star. despite you being a member of the usually English Self depreciating society.

But yes your Russian colleagues certainly deserve a gold star as well!

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[Richard G]

Spiral,
I don't think I have any special software, but in my setup, Windows Vista and Google Chrome, you do have to untick the pop up blocker in Google Chrome if you want to see the individual item. I had no trouble doing the search and getting to the list I hope you could see. For reasons beyond my savvy, I noticed some pictures appeared in the "pop up" which were not on the original search results'
Hope this helps.
Richard

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons

Thor might have saved us all the trouble some time back as looking back each and every one looks hippo now that Sajen ponted this out....

I don't think that the hippo ivory is a good proof for the African origin, you can find this material in Malaysia, Indonesia or also the Philippines.
But the necklace Jampot have shown by link is a good one which was conclusive IMO.

Regards,
Detlef

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Sajen

I don't think that the hippo ivory is a good proof for the African origin, you can find this material in Malaysia, Indonesia or also the Philippines.
But the necklace Jampot have shown by link is a good one which was conclusive IMO.

Regards,
Detlef

Indeed Detlef, I covered off ivory trade in an earlier post and how easily this point can be refuted but these other regions you note do not manufacture to these designs.