Kris Junggayan Silver Gold Inlay Filigree

VANDOO · 8th September 2014, 03:49 PM

FIRST RATE RESTORATION!

JUST LOOKING AT THE INLAY WORK ON THE BLADE MAKES MY EYES HURT. THE CHANNELS WOULD HAVE TO BE CUT DEEPER AND THEN THE INLAY DONE, A BIG TIME CONSUMING TASK, IMPRESSIVE WORK JOSE.

Oliver Pinchot · 8th September 2014, 03:56 PM

Brilliant, Jose. Thanks for sharing, good pics too.
You've recut the channels and hammered in the wire beautifully.
Do you have to use an adhesive to get the wire to hold?

Andrew · 8th September 2014, 04:49 PM

Beautiful.

Sajen · 8th September 2014, 04:53 PM

Perfect done!

You become by every piece better!

Regards,
Detlef

Indianajones · 8th September 2014, 08:49 PM

And another great piece ruïned! It makes the good old untouched pieces more rare, but I FEEL for the pieces you ruine FOREVER.
(nomatter what your reply is)

Sajen · 8th September 2014, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

And another great piece ruïned!

Because fallen out silver inlays replaced???

Battara · 8th September 2014, 11:48 PM

Thank you folks.

Shakethetrees - I lost count of the hours involved, but I do know that it took a year to get all the work done, especially the inlay (based on what was already there).

David - yeah, I felt the same way when I got done!

Mross - I would say a good pound to a pound and a half of solid silver.

Oliver - No adhesive used. I tried once on Ian's barung years ago and it didn't work. You're right, it takes cutting and then undercutting the cut, then cold hammering. This is how the original artisans did it and their ancestors all over the planet.

Indianajones - Apparently my work and opinion offend you. A reminder that Moros and Filipinos made these pieces and then later they were altered, changed, upgraded, restored. I won't upgrade, but I am in line with my ancestors.

I will certainly consider and respect your thoughts. I would only ask that you do the same for me..........

Andrew · 8th September 2014, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

And another great piece ruïned! It makes the good old untouched pieces more rare, but I FEEL for the pieces you ruine FOREVER.
(nomatter what your reply is)

Just curious, Indianajones--are you Filipino?

CharlesS · 9th September 2014, 12:21 AM

Hi Jose,

Another lovely job. I had forgotten you got this one last year, but I was tickled to see you get it because the pommel is practically identical to the one I have that you wanted so badly.....now you have an even better one!!

Congrats and again a stunning job.

CharlesS · 9th September 2014, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianajones

And another great piece ruïned! It makes the good old untouched pieces more rare, but I FEEL for the pieces you ruine FOREVER.
(nomatter what your reply is)

I believe that we all have our own ideas about the practices and limitations of restorations, some more conservative than others.

Had Jose altered the piece in a way clearly not original to it, then I would agree it was too much and lacked the proper ethnographic vision. However, in this case Jose has only restored what was clearly there and long lost...no more, no less. What's more, he has done it with virtually the same material that the Moros would have used.

I wonder...suppose the original silver/alloy was intentionally melted or chiseled out of the kriss for use on something else...perhaps even as a barter commodity. Would that intentional damage to the kriss by its original(or somewhere down the line) owner not devalue it both aesthetically and as a piece of "original" art???...in that case Jose has done no more than "touch up" an original work of art to make its original appearance more clear to current viewers of the piece.

There are lots of Moro collectors, myself included, but I will tell you I don't know of ANY two collectors more "spiritually" attached to their collections than Battara/Jose and Spunjer/Ron. I think anyone that knows them and their passion will agree.

This makes me know that Jose's heart and his head were in the right place...personally, I commend him!

RSWORD · 9th September 2014, 12:00 PM

Very well said Charles!

Ian · 9th September 2014, 12:49 PM

Jose:

Your restoration work is second to none IMO. I remember how you brought my old barung back to life with its brass inlaid blade, and how much you toiled on that piece until it was right and you had mastered the technique. This is another excellent example.

Indianajones, I don't understand where you are coming from with such a strong outburst. How is what was done with this sword different from removing rust and grime from an old piece, etching the blade, polishing the metal, and making it look like it would in its original culture? Would you consider those changes "ruining" an old piece also? Would you let a sleeping beauty slumber on indefinitely, or would you want to wake her up in all her former glory?

Jose brings these back to life in a way which is respectful and in keeping with the tradition in which it was created.

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8th September 2014, 03:49 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	FIRST RATE RESTORATION! JUST LOOKING AT THE INLAY WORK ON THE BLADE MAKES MY EYES HURT. THE CHANNELS WOULD HAVE TO BE CUT DEEPER AND THEN THE INLAY DONE, A BIG TIME CONSUMING TASK, IMPRESSIVE WORK JOSE.

8th September 2014, 03:56 PM	#2
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 465	Brilliant, Jose. Thanks for sharing, good pics too. You've recut the channels and hammered in the wire beautifully. Do you have to use an adhesive to get the wire to hold?

8th September 2014, 04:49 PM	#3
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Beautiful.

8th September 2014, 04:53 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Perfect done! You become by every piece better! Regards, Detlef

8th September 2014, 08:49 PM	#5
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	And another great piece ruïned! It makes the good old untouched pieces more rare, but I FEEL for the pieces you ruine FOREVER. (nomatter what your reply is)

8th September 2014, 11:48 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Thank you folks. Shakethetrees - I lost count of the hours involved, but I do know that it took a year to get all the work done, especially the inlay (based on what was already there). David - yeah, I felt the same way when I got done! Mross - I would say a good pound to a pound and a half of solid silver. Oliver - No adhesive used. I tried once on Ian's barung years ago and it didn't work. You're right, it takes cutting and then undercutting the cut, then cold hammering. This is how the original artisans did it and their ancestors all over the planet. Indianajones - Apparently my work and opinion offend you. A reminder that Moros and Filipinos made these pieces and then later they were altered, changed, upgraded, restored. I won't upgrade, but I am in line with my ancestors. I will certainly consider and respect your thoughts. I would only ask that you do the same for me..........

9th September 2014, 12:21 AM	#9
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Hi Jose, Another lovely job. I had forgotten you got this one last year, but I was tickled to see you get it because the pommel is practically identical to the one I have that you wanted so badly.....now you have an even better one!! Congrats and again a stunning job.

9th September 2014, 12:00 PM	#11
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,087	Very well said Charles!

9th September 2014, 12:49 PM	#12
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,397	Jose: Your restoration work is second to none IMO. I remember how you brought my old barung back to life with its brass inlaid blade, and how much you toiled on that piece until it was right and you had mastered the technique. This is another excellent example. Indianajones, I don't understand where you are coming from with such a strong outburst. How is what was done with this sword different from removing rust and grime from an old piece, etching the blade, polishing the metal, and making it look like it would in its original culture? Would you consider those changes "ruining" an old piece also? Would you let a sleeping beauty slumber on indefinitely, or would you want to wake her up in all her former glory? Jose brings these back to life in a way which is respectful and in keeping with the tradition in which it was created.