PESH KABZ DAGGER FOR COMMENT

Tim Simmons · 25th November 2005, 08:36 PM

Hi Lew , the dagger looks great I am a little unsure of the scabbard. The material looks pretty new to be honest. Just my first impression. Tim

ariel · 25th November 2005, 09:15 PM

I am a bit puzzled about "Indian ricasso": all Khybers/karud I own start the edge right after the bolster.
Looks like Pakistani to me and not very old.

Lew · 25th November 2005, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

I am a bit puzzled about "Indian ricasso": all Khybers/karud I own start the edge right after the bolster.
Looks like Pakistani to me and not very old.

Ariel

The scabbard I agree is more recent but there is patina on the underside of the hilt that shows age I don't really think it is more than 60 years old but it is one mean razor sharp puppy and I am quite pleased with it. That is the problem with over cleaning stuff it makes it really hard to get a handle on it's age. The horn has the same patina as some of my WW2 Philippine bolos.

Lew

ariel · 26th November 2005, 12:04 AM

You are correct: well patinated. Couldn't see it on previous pics.
The ricasso is still a mystery.

RobT · 26th November 2005, 09:12 PM

Hi all,
What strikes me as unusual is the small step on the underside of the hilt. I don't think this is typical of the commonly seen pesh kabz hilts. Since the tang repeats this feature, I think it is more than an "artistic" afterthought and might be an indicator of a regional variant. I have a khyber knife with a similar (albeit more pronounced) step in the hilt. I have seen some Sarajevo knives where this step is exaggerated into a finger groove. Any thoughts?
Sincerely,
RobT

Ian · 27th November 2005, 04:35 PM

I was looking at that too, Rob. Also seen on some Greek knives. Curious little feature -- perhaps an Ottoman influence.

Another oddity is the curve in the blade towards the tip. Choora approach the tip in a more or less straight line, but this one has quite a curve to the edge.

Interesting discussion piece, Lew. The knife is older than would appear from looking at the blade.

Ian.

Valjhun · 17th April 2006, 09:55 AM

I found that choora photo on the net. It seems precisely alike. Is that the same dagger or another of the same type?

26th November 2005, 09:12 PM	#5
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 558	Atypical hilt Hi all, What strikes me as unusual is the small step on the underside of the hilt. I don't think this is typical of the commonly seen pesh kabz hilts. Since the tang repeats this feature, I think it is more than an "artistic" afterthought and might be an indicator of a regional variant. I have a khyber knife with a similar (albeit more pronounced) step in the hilt. I have seen some Sarajevo knives where this step is exaggerated into a finger groove. Any thoughts? Sincerely, RobT

17th April 2006, 09:55 AM	#7
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I found that choora photo on the net. It seems precisely alike. Is that the same dagger or another of the same type? Attached Images

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25th November 2005, 08:36 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,864	Hi Lew , the dagger looks great I am a little unsure of the scabbard. The material looks pretty new to be honest. Just my first impression. Tim

25th November 2005, 09:15 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am a bit puzzled about "Indian ricasso": all Khybers/karud I own start the edge right after the bolster. Looks like Pakistani to me and not very old.

26th November 2005, 12:04 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	You are correct: well patinated. Couldn't see it on previous pics. The ricasso is still a mystery.

27th November 2005, 04:35 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,410	I was looking at that too, Rob. Also seen on some Greek knives. Curious little feature -- perhaps an Ottoman influence. Another oddity is the curve in the blade towards the tip. Choora approach the tip in a more or less straight line, but this one has quite a curve to the edge. Interesting discussion piece, Lew. The knife is older than would appear from looking at the blade. Ian.