The ultimate meteorite Keris!

nechesh · 13th November 2005, 03:54 PM

Hey Pusaka, before you get busted stealing the local church's lightning rod, i think the reference to "lightning iron" in Jens quote is to the meteorite itself, not iron struck by lightning.

Pusaka · 13th November 2005, 04:05 PM

Its ok I don’t like heights anyway so I changed my mind about going up there LOL

All this joking has reminded me of something though. Tibetan phurba daggers were made from meteorite iron and then fixed to a lightning conductor at the temple so they would get struck by lightning, so the idea is not new after all

nechesh · 13th November 2005, 04:54 PM

Sorry to be such a stickler on these subjects, but it is the rare and most powerful of phurbas that would be made of meteorite. Certainly not all or even most. I only make this comment because someone with no knowledge of these might take your comment and pass it on as a general fact. This is why so many people think all keris were made with meteoric metals as well.

Pusaka · 13th November 2005, 05:03 PM

Apart from the Indonesians and the Tibetans which other cultures used Meteorite to make blades?

nechesh · 13th November 2005, 05:48 PM

As per Jens provided quote the Indians obviously did some experimenting with the material as well. Again, not in any common practice as far as i know. There are a few modern bladesmiths who have used meteorite in purely contemporary creations.

Pusaka · 13th November 2005, 07:12 PM

Just realised that if you made meteorite steel from two different types of meteorite, one with a high nickel content and one with a lower nickel content you could forge them together and still have a pamor because of the contrast between the two different meteorites. The keris blade would still be 100% meteorite steel

Pusaka · 18th November 2005, 08:08 PM

Well I think that Chinge meteorite (16%Ni) steel would be good for the pamor and perhaps Gibeon meteorite steel (6%Ni) for the rest of the blade. There should be a good contrast between these two meteorite steels so pamor will be very visible.
For all those who think that the symbolism of union, meteorite from above and iron from earth below will be lost. Carbon from Earth (below) and meteorite from above, the symbolism would be the same but I bet the keris would be extremely beautiful. Its possible but difficult. Anybody who succeeded in producing it would certainly be remembered in Keris history, with me the inventor

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13th November 2005, 03:54 PM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hey Pusaka, before you get busted stealing the local church's lightning rod, i think the reference to "lightning iron" in Jens quote is to the meteorite itself, not iron struck by lightning.

13th November 2005, 04:05 PM	#2
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Its ok I don’t like heights anyway so I changed my mind about going up there LOL All this joking has reminded me of something though. Tibetan phurba daggers were made from meteorite iron and then fixed to a lightning conductor at the temple so they would get struck by lightning, so the idea is not new after all

13th November 2005, 04:54 PM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Sorry to be such a stickler on these subjects, but it is the rare and most powerful of phurbas that would be made of meteorite. Certainly not all or even most. I only make this comment because someone with no knowledge of these might take your comment and pass it on as a general fact. This is why so many people think all keris were made with meteoric metals as well.

13th November 2005, 05:03 PM	#4
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Apart from the Indonesians and the Tibetans which other cultures used Meteorite to make blades?

13th November 2005, 05:48 PM	#5
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	As per Jens provided quote the Indians obviously did some experimenting with the material as well. Again, not in any common practice as far as i know. There are a few modern bladesmiths who have used meteorite in purely contemporary creations.

13th November 2005, 07:12 PM	#6
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Just realised that if you made meteorite steel from two different types of meteorite, one with a high nickel content and one with a lower nickel content you could forge them together and still have a pamor because of the contrast between the two different meteorites. The keris blade would still be 100% meteorite steel

18th November 2005, 08:08 PM	#7
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Well I think that Chinge meteorite (16%Ni) steel would be good for the pamor and perhaps Gibeon meteorite steel (6%Ni) for the rest of the blade. There should be a good contrast between these two meteorite steels so pamor will be very visible. For all those who think that the symbolism of union, meteorite from above and iron from earth below will be lost. Carbon from Earth (below) and meteorite from above, the symbolism would be the same but I bet the keris would be extremely beautiful. Its possible but difficult. Anybody who succeeded in producing it would certainly be remembered in Keris history, with me the inventor