Katipunan?

Rick · 7th October 2013, 04:48 PM

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David · 7th October 2013, 05:21 PM

Nice dagger, but the blade looks later than that to me...

Spunjer · 7th October 2013, 08:48 PM

can't tell you for sure the time frame on this Rick, but i would guess pre WW2???
btw, is the blade brass?

David · 7th October 2013, 08:54 PM

Ron, i have a feeling the color of the blade in these shots is just bad white balancing, but Rick would know more. The blade looks like it has a nickel chrome plating to me.

Rick · 7th October 2013, 09:55 PM

No David, tis indeed brass ...

David · 8th October 2013, 01:08 AM

Ah Ha!

Well that changes everything i said then...

Spunjer · 8th October 2013, 03:52 AM

can't say for sure, but brass bladed daggers i've seen tend to be older. the one i have is definitely 1st republic era (aturn of the century). this particular dagger might just be from around that time frame, rick...

Battara · 8th October 2013, 05:19 AM

Purpose? I think we have discussed the possibility that brass blades were ceremonial in nature.

Rick · 8th October 2013, 03:18 PM

I would love to know a little more as we seem to be at a stand as regards any further information .
I do remember reading in the Buru Quartet novels about a non-ferrous metal dagger being used for an assassination and something, IIRC, about it (the dagger) being used for a specific reason .

Spunjer · 8th October 2013, 03:49 PM

little is known regarding the swords and knives of Luzon. Migueldiaz would be the one to ask, since he is doing some heavy research on this, but unfortunately he doesn't post here any longer. perhaps you could pm him?

Robert · 14th October 2013, 02:05 AM

Hello Rick, Very nice brass bladed dagger. Can you tell me if the collar is one piece or if it has a solder seam? The earlier ones that I have seen and handled seem to have seamed collars where the later ones usually have solid collars which were most likely made from spent cartridge casings. I have heard that these brass and copper bladed daggers are believed (when used) to be able to inflict a wound that will not readily heal making them more prone to infection thus leading to the subsequent demise of the victim. I have one in my personal collection with a copper blade that is coated with arsenic.

Looking at your dagger I would date it to the first quarter of the twentieth century.

Best,
Robert

Rick · 14th October 2013, 02:29 AM

Hi Robert,
I believe it is a one piece collar, and what you have stated about the use of brass somewhat jives with the impression that I have gotten through my reading except that brass was also considered effective against people with more than natural powers .

Multumesc · 14th October 2013, 11:16 AM

Nice dagger

kino · 14th October 2013, 07:13 PM

I was told that copper / brass daggers were used to cut bags of gunpowder because they don't create a spark.

Rick · 14th October 2013, 07:36 PM

That would make great good sense !

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7th October 2013, 05:21 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Nice dagger, but the blade looks later than that to me...

7th October 2013, 08:48 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	can't tell you for sure the time frame on this Rick, but i would guess pre WW2??? btw, is the blade brass?

7th October 2013, 08:54 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Ron, i have a feeling the color of the blade in these shots is just bad white balancing, but Rick would know more. The blade looks like it has a nickel chrome plating to me.

7th October 2013, 09:55 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	No David, tis indeed brass ...

8th October 2013, 01:08 AM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Ah Ha! Well that changes everything i said then...

8th October 2013, 03:52 AM	#7
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	can't say for sure, but brass bladed daggers i've seen tend to be older. the one i have is definitely 1st republic era (aturn of the century). this particular dagger might just be from around that time frame, rick...

8th October 2013, 05:19 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Purpose? I think we have discussed the possibility that brass blades were ceremonial in nature.

8th October 2013, 03:18 PM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	I would love to know a little more as we seem to be at a stand as regards any further information . I do remember reading in the Buru Quartet novels about a non-ferrous metal dagger being used for an assassination and something, IIRC, about it (the dagger) being used for a specific reason .

8th October 2013, 03:49 PM	#10
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	little is known regarding the swords and knives of Luzon. Migueldiaz would be the one to ask, since he is doing some heavy research on this, but unfortunately he doesn't post here any longer. perhaps you could pm him?

14th October 2013, 02:05 AM	#11
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Rick, Very nice brass bladed dagger. Can you tell me if the collar is one piece or if it has a solder seam? The earlier ones that I have seen and handled seem to have seamed collars where the later ones usually have solid collars which were most likely made from spent cartridge casings. I have heard that these brass and copper bladed daggers are believed (when used) to be able to inflict a wound that will not readily heal making them more prone to infection thus leading to the subsequent demise of the victim. I have one in my personal collection with a copper blade that is coated with arsenic. Looking at your dagger I would date it to the first quarter of the twentieth century. Best, Robert

14th October 2013, 02:29 AM	#12
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Hi Robert, I believe it is a one piece collar, and what you have stated about the use of brass somewhat jives with the impression that I have gotten through my reading except that brass was also considered effective against people with more than natural powers .

14th October 2013, 07:13 PM	#14
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	I was told that copper / brass daggers were used to cut bags of gunpowder because they don't create a spark.

14th October 2013, 07:36 PM	#15
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	That would make great good sense !