17th century armada chest with 9 bolts

M ELEY · 28th August 2013, 07:36 PM

On the television show 'Pawn Stars', there was an original one of these iron chests that was given an auction value of above $10 grand, I believe, but it was a big chest.

On another episode of that same program, a man brought in one made of wood with the intricate locks and key-holes, etc. It turned out to be from India and, although not a 'treasure box', it was used for storing valuables and keeping away thieves, much like your piece, Ibrahiim. It would appear that one pattern influenced another, hey? In any case, these chests were certainly found in castles, keeps, ship's holds (well-founded research) and very probably monasteries as well as merchant's storefronts. All of the examples displayed are envious items in a collection. Wish I had one. Marcus, if you know where one is for that price, buy it for me and I'll pay you back!!

If it's legitimate, I think the auction estimate will be much lower than what it actually sells for.

Marcus den toom · 28th August 2013, 07:53 PM

This one is up for sale right now, it is signed and has a date on it 1753.
The dimensions are 55.4cm wide, 29cm high, 34.5cm deep
so it is a bit smaller than mine and about 100+ years younger.

M ELEY · 29th August 2013, 05:31 AM

Wow! That's a nice piece that would clean up very well! Too bad I am dead broke right now! Just picked up a nice navigational tool called a graphometer that set me back. Seeing your chest and this one though makes me want to make a Christmas list!!

Dmitry · 29th August 2013, 01:28 PM

I thought graphometer was a land-surveying tool. How would you use it in navigation?

fernando · 29th August 2013, 04:19 PM

Also used aboard to measure by angle the position of objects on sea or points in land. Not exactly for navigation ... but (also) a naval utensile

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M ELEY · 30th August 2013, 06:30 AM

I had to do a bit of research just to identify the piece, but Fernando hit it on the head. Mostly a 'land tool', but also used to find the 'lubber's line'? This mathematical stuff boggles my mind!

fernando · 30th August 2013, 03:27 PM

I know nothing of these things either ... or of any things at all

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It just came to my mind that many orientation devices are invented to serve in firm land and later adapted for naval or navigation use; such is the case of the extremely significant astrolabe.

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28th August 2013, 07:36 PM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	On the television show 'Pawn Stars', there was an original one of these iron chests that was given an auction value of above $10 grand, I believe, but it was a big chest. On another episode of that same program, a man brought in one made of wood with the intricate locks and key-holes, etc. It turned out to be from India and, although not a 'treasure box', it was used for storing valuables and keeping away thieves, much like your piece, Ibrahiim. It would appear that one pattern influenced another, hey? In any case, these chests were certainly found in castles, keeps, ship's holds (well-founded research) and very probably monasteries as well as merchant's storefronts. All of the examples displayed are envious items in a collection. Wish I had one. Marcus, if you know where one is for that price, buy it for me and I'll pay you back!! If it's legitimate, I think the auction estimate will be much lower than what it actually sells for.

28th August 2013, 07:53 PM	#2
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	This one is up for sale right now, it is signed and has a date on it 1753. The dimensions are 55.4cm wide, 29cm high, 34.5cm deep so it is a bit smaller than mine and about 100+ years younger.

29th August 2013, 05:31 AM	#3
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Wow! That's a nice piece that would clean up very well! Too bad I am dead broke right now! Just picked up a nice navigational tool called a graphometer that set me back. Seeing your chest and this one though makes me want to make a Christmas list!!

29th August 2013, 01:28 PM	#4
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	I thought graphometer was a land-surveying tool. How would you use it in navigation?

29th August 2013, 04:19 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Also used aboard to measure by angle the position of objects on sea or points in land. Not exactly for navigation ... but (also) a naval utensile .

30th August 2013, 06:30 AM	#6
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	I had to do a bit of research just to identify the piece, but Fernando hit it on the head. Mostly a 'land tool', but also used to find the 'lubber's line'? This mathematical stuff boggles my mind!

30th August 2013, 03:27 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I know nothing of these things either ... or of any things at all . It just came to my mind that many orientation devices are invented to serve in firm land and later adapted for naval or navigation use; such is the case of the extremely significant astrolabe.