Visayan daga/sword/kris for comment

Robert · 30th July 2013, 07:50 PM

Hello Detlef, Wonderful sword!! I fortunately did not see this when it was for sale, for unlike Jose I would have been bidding on it.

I have always wanted a Visayan example of these wavy bladed swords. My congratulations to you on finding one, especially with the original scabbard and twin Bakunawa-hilt.

You know who to contact if you ever get tired of looking after it.

Best,
Robert

Sajen · 30th July 2013, 10:25 PM

Hi Robert,

thank you and I am with you that I always wanted a Visayan waved blade. I am fascinated from above given thread and the beautiful examples Zel had posted in it. And they seem to be very rare since they not often seen for sell.
So please understand that I am sure that I don't will get tired to look at it soon.

Do you agree that it is most probable of Ilonggo origin?

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 31st July 2013, 12:47 AM

Maybe but not necessarily. I think other Visayan groups use this form of scabbard too.

Sajen · 19th August 2013, 03:41 PM

Have received the sword and I am pleased with it. The scabbard is IMHO not the original one, see the additional pictures. The guard is slanted but the scabbard mouth is straight and worked for a single edged blade. The beautiful horn hilt has a silver ferrule and have had originally two silver panels and silver eyes, one is still present. It seems that the blade unfortunately was once cleaned mechanical. Here some first pictures.

Sajen · 19th August 2013, 06:44 PM

It is shameful what some poeple can do with good blades. After I have cleaned the blade the demage at the blade is now visible.
Do you see any chance to repair this?

Robert · 19th August 2013, 07:42 PM

Hello Detlef, Unfortunately I have to say that if it were mine I would leave it as is. The damage done by someone taking a grinder to the blade can be removed but at the expense of loosing quite a lot of metal, blade thickness and what is left of the patina and character that it has developed over the tears. The damage is now part of the unfortunate history of this piece. It is still a wonderful addition to your collection and thanks to you it will be getting the respect and care that it has been denied until now.

Best,
Robert

Iain · 19th August 2013, 07:46 PM

Agreed, nothing really you can do to remove the grind marks besides removing even more material - something I'd certainly want to avoid.

Ferguson · 19th August 2013, 07:54 PM

Don't dispair Detlef. It's still a wonderful piece, even with the grinder marks. With some fine sandpaper, P220 or finer, you can sand along the length of the sword until most of the marks are gone. then move to a finer grit, maybe 320 then 400 then 600. This will be very tedious, and will take some hours. But it can be done. Some may say to do nothing, and I might agree.

Good luck!

Steve

Edit: While I was composing my post, I see that others whom I respect very much suggested doing nothing. It is your decision.

Sajen · 19th August 2013, 08:57 PM

Thank you for your kind words Robert, Ian and Steve. When it only would be the grinder marks I would try to follow Steve's advice but the person who have done this has let areas where he has changed the profile of the blade (see pictures) and I really think that there is nothing what I can do to withdraw this. The shown areas are only a few examples. It's a real shame.

30th July 2013, 10:25 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hi Robert, thank you and I am with you that I always wanted a Visayan waved blade. I am fascinated from above given thread and the beautiful examples Zel had posted in it. And they seem to be very rare since they not often seen for sell. So please understand that I am sure that I don't will get tired to look at it soon. Do you agree that it is most probable of Ilonggo origin? Regards, Detlef Attached Images

19th August 2013, 03:41 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Have received the sword and I am pleased with it. The scabbard is IMHO not the original one, see the additional pictures. The guard is slanted but the scabbard mouth is straight and worked for a single edged blade. The beautiful horn hilt has a silver ferrule and have had originally two silver panels and silver eyes, one is still present. It seems that the blade unfortunately was once cleaned mechanical. Here some first pictures. Attached Images

19th August 2013, 06:44 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	It is shameful what some poeple can do with good blades. After I have cleaned the blade the demage at the blade is now visible. Do you see any chance to repair this? Attached Images

19th August 2013, 08:57 PM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Thank you for your kind words Robert, Ian and Steve. When it only would be the grinder marks I would try to follow Steve's advice but the person who have done this has let areas where he has changed the profile of the blade (see pictures) and I really think that there is nothing what I can do to withdraw this. The shown areas are only a few examples. It's a real shame. Attached Images

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30th July 2013, 07:50 PM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Detlef, Wonderful sword!! I fortunately did not see this when it was for sale, for unlike Jose I would have been bidding on it. I have always wanted a Visayan example of these wavy bladed swords. My congratulations to you on finding one, especially with the original scabbard and twin Bakunawa-hilt. You know who to contact if you ever get tired of looking after it. Best, Robert

31st July 2013, 12:47 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Maybe but not necessarily. I think other Visayan groups use this form of scabbard too.

19th August 2013, 07:42 PM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Detlef, Unfortunately I have to say that if it were mine I would leave it as is. The damage done by someone taking a grinder to the blade can be removed but at the expense of loosing quite a lot of metal, blade thickness and what is left of the patina and character that it has developed over the tears. The damage is now part of the unfortunate history of this piece. It is still a wonderful addition to your collection and thanks to you it will be getting the respect and care that it has been denied until now. Best, Robert

19th August 2013, 07:46 PM	#7
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,708	Agreed, nothing really you can do to remove the grind marks besides removing even more material - something I'd certainly want to avoid.

19th August 2013, 07:54 PM	#8
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Don't dispair Detlef. It's still a wonderful piece, even with the grinder marks. With some fine sandpaper, P220 or finer, you can sand along the length of the sword until most of the marks are gone. then move to a finer grit, maybe 320 then 400 then 600. This will be very tedious, and will take some hours. But it can be done. Some may say to do nothing, and I might agree. Good luck! Steve Edit: While I was composing my post, I see that others whom I respect very much suggested doing nothing. It is your decision.