Balinese/Lombok pedang

asomotif · 11th July 2013, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

Indeed a very different quality of inlay...

Detlef's example in the swap looks more like koftgari work imho.

Jentayu · 13th July 2013, 01:30 AM

The verse in question was from Quran chapter 27 verse 30. It relates to the story of King Solomon. The translation reads as follows:

"Indeed, it is from Solomon, and indeed it reads, "In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Compassionate".

Believed this is the only chapter in the holy Quran that does not start with Basmallah as the verse was mentioned within its chapter itself.

Jentayu · 13th July 2013, 01:38 AM

The verse relates to the story of King Solomon writing a letter to Balqis, Queen of Sheba extending her to the worship of one true God. Not a typical story that you would probably find in the old testament, I must say.

A.alnakkas · 13th July 2013, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jentayu

The verse relates to the story of King Solomon writing a letter to Balqis, Queen of Sheba extending her to the worship of one true God. Not a typical story that you would probably find in the old testament, I must say.

except the script on the sword is full of repitition of the bassmallah and I cannot find any verse in it :-)

VVV · 13th July 2013, 09:58 AM

Jentayu, thanks for your translation.
However, I almost spilled out my morning coffee when I read your comment about the Basmallah.
I think you mixed it up. It is the 9th surah, At-Tawbah, that is the only sura not starting with Basmallah. Among "some esoteric Muslims" this complete surah has strong protective qualities.
The 27th is the only surah where Basmallah is also within the surah.
Probably this exception also makes this specific verse strongly protective and talismanic, too.
Basmallah, by itself, has of course very strong protective qualities, too.

Michael

Jentayu · 13th July 2013, 10:27 AM

Yes Michael you are right. I got it mixed up with Suratul Tawba. Chapter 27, An Naml where basmallah was mentioned in its chapter while At Tawba is the one without basmallah for start.

Maurice · 13th July 2013, 04:50 PM

Jentayu, thank you for the translation.
Is this translation repeated on the sides of the blade? (as the translation seems so short concerning all the texts written on the blade)...

And can you tell something about the meaning of the text/figures on the spine?

Michael thanks a lot for your correction, and I'm sorry it took you a half cup of coffee spoilt at first!
But that's a lot more interesting as what Jentayu is saying about the verse!

Unfortunately I don't have any knowledgement about these kind of verses.
So I understand it right that the text on the blade is from the 27th verse?

Kind regards,
Maurice

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13th July 2013, 01:30 AM	#2
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 63	The verse in question was from Quran chapter 27 verse 30. It relates to the story of King Solomon. The translation reads as follows: "Indeed, it is from Solomon, and indeed it reads, "In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Compassionate". Believed this is the only chapter in the holy Quran that does not start with Basmallah as the verse was mentioned within its chapter itself.

13th July 2013, 01:38 AM	#3
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 63	The verse relates to the story of King Solomon writing a letter to Balqis, Queen of Sheba extending her to the worship of one true God. Not a typical story that you would probably find in the old testament, I must say.

13th July 2013, 09:58 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Jentayu, thanks for your translation. However, I almost spilled out my morning coffee when I read your comment about the Basmallah. I think you mixed it up. It is the 9th surah, At-Tawbah, that is the only sura not starting with Basmallah. Among "some esoteric Muslims" this complete surah has strong protective qualities. The 27th is the only surah where Basmallah is also within the surah. Probably this exception also makes this specific verse strongly protective and talismanic, too. Basmallah, by itself, has of course very strong protective qualities, too. Michael

13th July 2013, 10:27 AM	#6
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 63	Yes Michael you are right. I got it mixed up with Suratul Tawba. Chapter 27, An Naml where basmallah was mentioned in its chapter while At Tawba is the one without basmallah for start.

13th July 2013, 04:50 PM	#7
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Jentayu, thank you for the translation. Is this translation repeated on the sides of the blade? (as the translation seems so short concerning all the texts written on the blade)... And can you tell something about the meaning of the text/figures on the spine? Michael thanks a lot for your correction, and I'm sorry it took you a half cup of coffee spoilt at first! But that's a lot more interesting as what Jentayu is saying about the verse! Unfortunately I don't have any knowledgement about these kind of verses. So I understand it right that the text on the blade is from the 27th verse? Kind regards, Maurice