What pamor is this?

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by David

Well Ferry, i would not argue that any of these examples you have now posted are from Bali (or Lombok). That much is clear in these examples though none of them are the same pasopati dhapur. I will continue to argue that the original example in this post is not from Bali....that there is very little you can discern from the one image we see about the true nature of the pamor...that it is a blade out-of stain anyway and could use some warangan to show it's true form and construction....that the dhapur of this original keris does not look Balinese and that when you compare the gandik, the form of the lambe-gajah, the form and shape of the greneng, the type of pamor present on the gonjo, the over shape of the gonjo.....sorry, this just does not read as a Bali blade to me at all. Even if it were possible to tell more about this pamor from the photo and it does use the lesser layers of the Balinese technique, i would still doubt a Bali origin for this.
Of course, you have also failed to address the fact brought forth by Jean that this very same keris is identified on page 132 in Tafsir Keris and that the blade apparently has some provenance. The book apparently lists not only the owner, but claims to know the Mpu as well.

Well David. I have to admit that I 've fail to give you a reasonable explanation. I'm pleased to have this discussion with you. Let's continue this fun .
I do have a picture old dhapur pasopati with similar over all shape. and I guess its has the same majapahit tangguh.only with a slight different tipe of pamor. the gonjo also fill with pamor, which I can guarantee for sure that its gonjo is the original. I also attach the picture taken from the gonjo. to show you all the peksi hole which still has its "peg" . and I must say it is a very nice shape of "wuwungan gonjo" hope you enjoy it. but plesa do not put any comment about its kembang kacang.

But I do agree the keris we discussed could be categorized as majapahit era .
once again I must admit that I was too hasty laying my eyes to the thin pamor layers.
Please continue this remarkable discussion. I will always feel pleased to join keris warung kopi.
I hope Alan would like to join us here. What You say Alan?

[Gustav]

Originally Posted by ferrylaki

I do have a picture old dhapur pasopati with similar over all shape. and I guess its has the same majapahit tangguh.

Dear Ferrylaki, if we are looking only on Blumbangan on both keris (your latest picture and the initial one): I am fairly sure, yours isn't Boto Adeg, and the initial one also don't look like boto adeg. Tangguh Majapahit should have Boto Adeg Blumbangan.

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Dear Ferrylaki, if we are looking only on Blumbangan on both keris (your latest picture and the initial one): I am fairly sure, yours isn't Boto Adeg, and the initial one also don't look like boto adeg. Tangguh Majapahit should have Boto Adeg Blumbangan.

I must say that mboto adeg and mboto rubuh is a fair expression for gandik.

[Gustav]

Originally Posted by ferrylaki

I must say that mboto adeg and mboto rubuh is a fair expression for gandik.

Dear Ferrylaki, may I turn your attention to #4 here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...adeg+majapahit

and to the page 166 in Haryoguritnos "Keris Jawa"?

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Dear Ferrylaki, may I turn your attention to #4 here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...adeg+majapahit

and to the page 166 in Haryoguritnos "Keris Jawa"?

well we got the point Gustav.
is this what you mean with majapahit has boto ngadeg blumbangan?

[David]

I'm sorry Ferry, are you still maintaining that this original keris is from Bali in spite of what seems like a very well provenanced history provide for the keris in Tafsir Keris? Are you denying that history? You're right, this is fun!

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by David

I'm sorry Ferry, are you still maintaining that this original keris is from Bali in spite of what seems like a very well provenanced history provide for the keris in Tafsir Keris? Are you denying that history? You're right, this is fun!

am I denying that history? off course I am.
am I maintaining that this original keris is from Bali? this one I have to make my sefl clear. OK then It might not from bali. but I do have to agree it was made some time around majapahit period. let's just call it tangguh majapahit.
BUT for further information about the empu who made the keris. that's a little bit too far. I will not address that pasopati as a blambangan keris. not even close.
let's make this more fun then David, this discussion off course.