Persian Qajar Dagger

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Originally Posted by Dom

with .. one stone, I'll shoot two birds
the perpetual misunderstanding (joke) between "froggy" and "roast-beef"
about "criticize" there are two kinds; negatives and positives
it was the last one, was going my comments
we have two languages, very close to each one, but some terms very similar leave the place to some light different interpretation

don't speak too much about ear-rings, when you said nice,
the word is weak, but if my wife saw that ...
it's me at this moment I will be a weak man

concerning, second post ...


yes it's a "Qajar" khanjar, but due to miss care, his condition is very poor, oxidation and pitting due to rust, not to his age
a "noble" patina, as far as I know, must be "green" or "brown"

I don't denied that there is a very strong influence between, Persia and India
I have an other Persian khanjar, same era, with a oval/diamond section blade, not "johar", and not Indian,
but it's need a serious refurbishing, that means this type of blade wasn't rare (pic attached)

you mean by that, an edged weapon, without rust (please don't talk about patina, you know my POV ), and plenty dirt, must be a modern production ... interesting ...
but I don't share the concept


the dating for the Qajar Dynasty era, it's the most simple, because recent, and very well documented
1st Qajar - 1786 - juin 1797 : Agha Mohammad Shah
last Qajar - 16 juillet 1909 - 31 octobre 1925 : Ahmad Shah
nothing before, and nothing after

by the way, I think to have identified the kind of "johar" with the book "Swords & Armour" "weapons of the Islamic World",
and I'm not to much convince that the wootz, of my blade it's the same, that you show

I love that kind of exchange,
very good opportunity to argument, in function of our reciprocal knowledge, and sensibility, thank you Gene

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Dom

Hi Dom,

Patination, wear, signs of age....
"Patina" is often defined as verdigris or oxidisation, but it can just as easily be the accrued hand grease, dust and wax polish on a piece of wood furniture or the natural contrast of darkening and polishing that decades of handling and cleaning creates on a piece of steel that has never been left to rust or been mistreated.

The reason I don't use terms like 'johar' is that not every person uses them in the same context. Like 'damascus' or 'watered' which is why I asked for confirmation of what you meant.
I find these terms most confusing
So I always try to use the terms that are open to the 'least' interpretation:
Wootz, Mechanical wootz, Laminated steel, pattern welded etc.

So you see your blade as wootz and not pattern welded?

Lets see what others think. As always, I'm as happy to be wrong as I am to be right! As long as my knowledge is increased