Period Photos of People with Ethnographic Arms

sirupate · 6th December 2012, 09:47 PM

that is a great pic of an old Moro warrior

Battara · 7th December 2012, 03:47 AM

Great picture of this Maranao (probably) datu. However the photo is a little washed out, so here is the picture modified to bring out more detail.

Rick · 7th December 2012, 05:38 AM

A few Moros .
First picture; a Moro of above middle class; he has a horse and a nice kris .

Second; two Vintas .
Note that the tassels on the boom-ends are most likely used as 'tell-tales' to show wind flow over the sail .

I think it is interesting to note that almost all the spears in the 'fence' ,picture 3 have 'tassels just below the blade .
I expect those were functional rather than decorative .
Wouldn't we love to own that fence .

Looks like a Krag that the soldier in the background of the next to last picture is holding; these strike me as exceptionally long lances .

And the guys in the last picture ??
Pure attitude .

Enjoy .

sirupate · 7th December 2012, 11:07 AM

Fabulous pics, they appear to re-enforce my view that what is called FMA these days is not what was traditionally practised and used in their Martial Arts until at some point in the early 20th century.
Which was possibly first affected by the Spanish training friendly Filipino's for use in their army, then the Americans and then the Japanese (of whom quite a few fled to the Philippines in the 17th century)in WW2 and Japanese MA post WW2, just thoughts that have been floating around in my mind.

Gustav · 7th December 2012, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Great picture of this Maranao (probably) datu.

Perhaps more likely a bodyguard of a high ranked person.

Battara · 7th December 2012, 03:12 PM

Actually Gustav the datus were the only ones who had the money and status to afford armour.

I will also make the note that in this picture the kampilan does not fit the scabbard and the scabbard was hand painted later.

Gustav · 7th December 2012, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Actually Gustav the datus were the only ones who had the money and status to afford armour.

I will also make the note that in this picture the kampilan does not fit the scabbard and the scabbard was hand painted later.

Jose, so this picture depicts two Moro Datu and a woman?

Would you call this weapon a kampilan?

Rick · 7th December 2012, 11:54 PM

I have a kampilan with a somewhat similar hilt .

The sword in question looks like it is made from wood .

D'you suppose this picture was taken after the implementation of Pershing's General Order #11 ?

I don't think it is a scabbard, looks more like a narrow parrying shield to me .

The Datu's eyes are downcast .

"A picture says a thousand words ."

Spunjer · 8th December 2012, 05:24 AM

some of my favorites

Battara · 8th December 2012, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I have a kampilan with a somewhat similar hilt .

The sword in question looks like it is made from wood .

D'you suppose this picture was taken after the implementation of Pershing's General Order #11 ?

I don't think it is a scabbard, looks more like a narrow parrying shield to me .

The Datu's eyes are downcast .

"A picture says a thousand words ."

You may be right Rick....

7th December 2012, 03:47 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Great picture of this Maranao (probably) datu. However the photo is a little washed out, so here is the picture modified to bring out more detail. Attached Images

7th December 2012, 05:38 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	A few Moros . First picture; a Moro of above middle class; he has a horse and a nice kris . Second; two Vintas . Note that the tassels on the boom-ends are most likely used as 'tell-tales' to show wind flow over the sail . I think it is interesting to note that almost all the spears in the 'fence' ,picture 3 have 'tassels just below the blade . I expect those were functional rather than decorative . Wouldn't we love to own that fence . Looks like a Krag that the soldier in the background of the next to last picture is holding; these strike me as exceptionally long lances . And the guys in the last picture ?? Pure attitude . Enjoy . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 7th December 2012 at 06:15 AM.

8th December 2012, 05:24 AM	#9
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	some of my favorites Attached Images

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6th December 2012, 09:47 PM	#1
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	that is a great pic of an old Moro warrior

7th December 2012, 11:07 AM	#4
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	Fabulous pics, they appear to re-enforce my view that what is called FMA these days is not what was traditionally practised and used in their Martial Arts until at some point in the early 20th century. Which was possibly first affected by the Spanish training friendly Filipino's for use in their army, then the Americans and then the Japanese (of whom quite a few fled to the Philippines in the 17th century)in WW2 and Japanese MA post WW2, just thoughts that have been floating around in my mind.

7th December 2012, 03:12 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Actually Gustav the datus were the only ones who had the money and status to afford armour. I will also make the note that in this picture the kampilan does not fit the scabbard and the scabbard was hand painted later.

7th December 2012, 11:54 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I have a kampilan with a somewhat similar hilt . The sword in question looks like it is made from wood . D'you suppose this picture was taken after the implementation of Pershing's General Order #11 ? I don't think it is a scabbard, looks more like a narrow parrying shield to me . The Datu's eyes are downcast . "A picture says a thousand words ."