Truncheons - East Asian

VANDOO · 14th October 2012, 05:52 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11673

HERE IS A LINK TO AN OLD POST WITH SIMULAR INFORMATION. WHEN OLD WAYS ARE CHANGED BY NEW LAWS ATTEMPTS ARE ALWAYS MADE TO MAINTAIN THE OLD TRADITIONS AND RIGHTS BY THE SOCIETIES. I HOPE THE LINK WORKS AS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE FIGURED IT OUT AND TRYED TO DO IT.

Timo Nieminen · 12th October 2014, 02:02 AM

Some more.

A jian (usually translated as "mace", 鐧 (traditional), 锏 (simplified), Pinyin jiǎn), photographed next to the iron ruler (鐵尺 (traditional), 铁尺 (simplified) , Pinyin tiě chǐ) above. Antique, 1660g. It's swingable, but a heavy pig. It's a little heavier than my heaviest one-handed sword (which is 1.6kg, and also a pig).

Then two modern reproductions. The top one is cast, and since it's knobbly, is probably a bian ("whip", 鞭, Pinyin biān). 1875g. The bottom one is quite light, at 999g. Both of these came as matched pairs; the partner of the bottom jian is currently disassembled for inspection and cleaning.

Finally, a backscratcher, or zhua .I've seen two different characters for this, 撾 (traditional)/挝 (simplified) and 抓, both pronounced zhuā (Pinyin), meaning "beat/strike" and "scratch/claw/grab". Sometimes tie zhua 鐵抓, iron claw. "Zhua" seems to be used both for short one-handed versions and 6-8' polearms. Modern reproduction, 736g. An antique one can be seen at http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4313

kronckew · 9th August 2015, 07:29 PM

i picked up a 'vintage' showa (1926-1988) hatchiwari/kabutowari saturday, on it's way now from japan. roughly 25 in. LOA in the saya, looks about 22 in. out of it , 'blade/hook' about 14.5 in. in mounts and saya. 645grams in saya. metal fittings look untarnished - gold/gold plated? i would assume 'late' showa & more ceremonial than not, tho 645 grams of steel hitting you might smart a bit. pics mostly upside down of course.

. more photos in my jitte/jutte thread.

kronckew · 9th August 2015, 07:38 PM

my edo jitte/jutte from same thread i just mentioned...

Mickey the Finn · 15th September 2020, 10:35 AM

Hmm... When brass knuckles became prohibited weapons, suddenly "belt buckles" having the same size and form began to appear on the market (as well as Formica and Arborite knuckles). A couple of size 000 horseshoes might also work. In regions where the good, old-fashioned sap, cosh, blackjack or slungshot became frowned upon, virtually identical items of leather and lead began to appear, marketed as "book weights". When anti-personnel landmines became "bad", one country I know of simply changed the nomenclature of it's inventory to "anti-personnel explosive charge".
The ingenuity of Homo Sapiens in solving problems associated with settling differences of opinion, and clarifying relations between individuals and/or groups is absolutely marvelous.

12th October 2014, 02:02 AM	#2
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	Some more. A jian (usually translated as "mace", 鐧 (traditional), 锏 (simplified), Pinyin jiǎn), photographed next to the iron ruler (鐵尺 (traditional), 铁尺 (simplified) , Pinyin tiě chǐ) above. Antique, 1660g. It's swingable, but a heavy pig. It's a little heavier than my heaviest one-handed sword (which is 1.6kg, and also a pig). Then two modern reproductions. The top one is cast, and since it's knobbly, is probably a bian ("whip", 鞭, Pinyin biān). 1875g. The bottom one is quite light, at 999g. Both of these came as matched pairs; the partner of the bottom jian is currently disassembled for inspection and cleaning. Finally, a backscratcher, or zhua .I've seen two different characters for this, 撾 (traditional)/挝 (simplified) and 抓, both pronounced zhuā (Pinyin), meaning "beat/strike" and "scratch/claw/grab". Sometimes tie zhua 鐵抓, iron claw. "Zhua" seems to be used both for short one-handed versions and 6-8' polearms. Modern reproduction, 736g. An antique one can be seen at http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=4313 Attached Images Last edited by Timo Nieminen; 12th October 2014 at 02:13 AM.

9th August 2015, 07:29 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	i picked up a 'vintage' showa (1926-1988) hatchiwari/kabutowari saturday, on it's way now from japan. roughly 25 in. LOA in the saya, looks about 22 in. out of it , 'blade/hook' about 14.5 in. in mounts and saya. 645grams in saya. metal fittings look untarnished - gold/gold plated? i would assume 'late' showa & more ceremonial than not, tho 645 grams of steel hitting you might smart a bit. pics mostly upside down of course. . more photos in my jitte/jutte thread. Attached Images

9th August 2015, 07:38 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	my edo jitte/jutte from same thread i just mentioned... Attached Images

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14th October 2012, 05:52 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11673 HERE IS A LINK TO AN OLD POST WITH SIMULAR INFORMATION. WHEN OLD WAYS ARE CHANGED BY NEW LAWS ATTEMPTS ARE ALWAYS MADE TO MAINTAIN THE OLD TRADITIONS AND RIGHTS BY THE SOCIETIES. I HOPE THE LINK WORKS AS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE FIGURED IT OUT AND TRYED TO DO IT.

15th September 2020, 10:35 AM	#5
Mickey the Finn Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 90	Hmm... When brass knuckles became prohibited weapons, suddenly "belt buckles" having the same size and form began to appear on the market (as well as Formica and Arborite knuckles). A couple of size 000 horseshoes might also work. In regions where the good, old-fashioned sap, cosh, blackjack or slungshot became frowned upon, virtually identical items of leather and lead began to appear, marketed as "book weights". When anti-personnel landmines became "bad", one country I know of simply changed the nomenclature of it's inventory to "anti-personnel explosive charge". The ingenuity of Homo Sapiens in solving problems associated with settling differences of opinion, and clarifying relations between individuals and/or groups is absolutely marvelous.