Shamshir information needed

ALEX · 20th September 2012, 11:40 AM

Jacques, welcome to the Forum,
This is an outstanding blade, forged of wootz (true Damascus steel) and nicely gold-inlaid. It is Indo-Persian, 18 or 19 Century, mounted with European (ivory) hilt and crossguard. There are members here who will help with translation, but I just wanted to comment on the blade - truly nice!!! It is very rare nowadays to find such a nice blade with that many gold inscriptions in such good condition. Congratulations on owning it.

AJ1356 · 20th September 2012, 12:09 PM

This is crap, you can throw it away, or better just ship it to me

All jokes aside, this is an Assadullah Isfahani sword, very beautifully made, get better pictures of the text and I'll translate the text for you. It is a Persian sword, made in the 1600's.

ALEX · 20th September 2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ1356

It is a Persian sword, made in the 1600's.

What are the arguments this is 17th Century blade? The name AssadUllah has been used since then up until 19th Century.

A.alnakkas · 20th September 2012, 01:47 PM

welcome to the forum!

This is a very fine Persian shamshir blade. I find that it has a European hilt very interesting. Maybe its an early Mamluke sabre? I know that Napoleon's army found the swords of Mamlukes very desirable so it could be one.

AJ1356 · 20th September 2012, 02:02 PM

ALEX, Assadullah was a Safavid era swordsmith, and the Safavids ruled during the 1600s. Better pictures of the text would help us clarify that.

ALEX · 20th September 2012, 02:03 PM

Early Mamluk??? You mean even earlier than 16th Century? Now it's getting interesting.... Seriously, based on quality of inlay, shape and curvature of the sword it points to 18-19 C. Based on the fact that it has AssadUllah name and French liked Mamluk swords - it could be 16th or 12th C respectively.

"AssadUllah" is one of most copied names, spanning 300+ years. This is certainly hight quality blade, and could be early one, but to determine if earlier than 18th Century, translation and better close-ups are needed.

A.alnakkas · 20th September 2012, 02:11 PM

Alex, you are mixing between me and AJ.

What I meant by 'early' mamluke sabre is that its from the early generation of swords taken by Napoleon's army during the invasion of Egypt. to me, the other generation of European 'mamluke' swords are the ones made in Europe with European everything. Napoleon invaded Egypt in the 19th century, yep?

Early Mamluke swords were straight as far as I know :P

ALEX · 20th September 2012, 02:18 PM

Got it, Lofty. Thatns for clarification. By 'early' mamluke" I assumed pre-17th Century:-). You're right, those were straight.

20th September 2012, 02:03 PM	#6
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Early Mamluk??? You mean even earlier than 16th Century? Now it's getting interesting.... Seriously, based on quality of inlay, shape and curvature of the sword it points to 18-19 C. Based on the fact that it has AssadUllah name and French liked Mamluk swords - it could be 16th or 12th C respectively. "AssadUllah" is one of most copied names, spanning 300+ years. This is certainly hight quality blade, and could be early one, but to determine if earlier than 18th Century, translation and better close-ups are needed. Last edited by ALEX; 20th September 2012 at 02:15 PM.

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20th September 2012, 11:40 AM	#1
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Jacques, welcome to the Forum, This is an outstanding blade, forged of wootz (true Damascus steel) and nicely gold-inlaid. It is Indo-Persian, 18 or 19 Century, mounted with European (ivory) hilt and crossguard. There are members here who will help with translation, but I just wanted to comment on the blade - truly nice!!! It is very rare nowadays to find such a nice blade with that many gold inscriptions in such good condition. Congratulations on owning it.

20th September 2012, 12:09 PM	#2
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	This is crap, you can throw it away, or better just ship it to me All jokes aside, this is an Assadullah Isfahani sword, very beautifully made, get better pictures of the text and I'll translate the text for you. It is a Persian sword, made in the 1600's.

20th September 2012, 01:47 PM	#4
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	welcome to the forum! This is a very fine Persian shamshir blade. I find that it has a European hilt very interesting. Maybe its an early Mamluke sabre? I know that Napoleon's army found the swords of Mamlukes very desirable so it could be one.

20th September 2012, 02:02 PM	#5
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	ALEX, Assadullah was a Safavid era swordsmith, and the Safavids ruled during the 1600s. Better pictures of the text would help us clarify that.

20th September 2012, 02:11 PM	#7
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Alex, you are mixing between me and AJ. What I meant by 'early' mamluke sabre is that its from the early generation of swords taken by Napoleon's army during the invasion of Egypt. to me, the other generation of European 'mamluke' swords are the ones made in Europe with European everything. Napoleon invaded Egypt in the 19th century, yep? Early Mamluke swords were straight as far as I know :P

20th September 2012, 02:18 PM	#8
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Got it, Lofty. Thatns for clarification. By 'early' mamluke" I assumed pre-17th Century:-). You're right, those were straight.