A gamble, your opinion?

David · 23rd July 2012, 02:33 PM

I look forward to better photos when you receive this. I could be wrong, but i am not sure this looks like pre-WW2 kinatah work to me. I hope you bought the kerns and not the story...

Sajen · 23rd July 2012, 05:44 PM

Thank you Barry, Gene and David for comment. I don't think that the keris is very old but like you see it is good worked and I am byself very curious to see it in real and hold it in my hands. It will be special very interesting if the kinatah is from gold. And of course I don't bought the story!

Regards,

Detlef

David · 23rd July 2012, 07:12 PM

The photos give me the impression that the kinatah is brass, but this can be very deceptive. I hope that you find otherwise once you have the keris in hand.
If the story were correct and this was brought back from WW2 you would have done quite well on this one, as this would then have to be a pre-WW2 blade. That might be just a bit too good a deal to hold out hope for, i'm afraid...

Jean · 23rd July 2012, 08:39 PM

I would agree with David regarding the materials of the kinatah, I apparently see some traces of "vert de gris" (green copper compound) on the reverse side of the blade, which should indicate that the kinatah is from brass (may be gilt).
Regarding the estimated age of the piece, the seller just says that it was brought to the US after WW2 but this is not a very accurate statement

From the pictures and if it was my decision I would categorize the kris as probably from tangguh kamardikan muda Madura but of course I can prove wrong and the piece is quite well made.
The seller also proposes another kris with a kinatah blade of similar quality.
Regards

David · 23rd July 2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Regarding the estimated age of the piece, the seller just says that it was brought to the US after WW2 but this is not a very accurate statement

Yeah Jean, i think this was left intentionally ambiguous. Of course, the intention is also to get you to think it might be a WW2 bring back, but i don't see that as particularly likely.

Sajen · 23rd July 2012, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

I would agree with David regarding the materials of the kinatah, I apparently see some traces of "vert de gris" (green copper compound) on the reverse side of the blade, which should indicate that the kinatah is from brass (may be gilt).

Hello Jean,

this is what I see as well and I think when the brass is gilded it is a good catch by this price. I don't think that it is kinatah mas, otherwise it would be too much luck!

Regards,

Detlef

DAHenkel · 24th July 2012, 03:35 PM

in the eighties keris of this type were fairly common in Jalan Surabaya. I would make this about 30 years old giver or take a few year...

Sajen · 24th July 2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DAHenkel

in the eighties keris of this type were fairly common in Jalan Surabaya. I would make this about 30 years old giver or take a few year...

Hello Dave,

for whom they were made? And was the quality good?

Regards,

Detlef

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23rd July 2012, 02:33 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,217	I look forward to better photos when you receive this. I could be wrong, but i am not sure this looks like pre-WW2 kinatah work to me. I hope you bought the kerns and not the story...

23rd July 2012, 05:44 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,176	Thank you Barry, Gene and David for comment. I don't think that the keris is very old but like you see it is good worked and I am byself very curious to see it in real and hold it in my hands. It will be special very interesting if the kinatah is from gold. And of course I don't bought the story! Regards, Detlef

23rd July 2012, 07:12 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,217	The photos give me the impression that the kinatah is brass, but this can be very deceptive. I hope that you find otherwise once you have the keris in hand. If the story were correct and this was brought back from WW2 you would have done quite well on this one, as this would then have to be a pre-WW2 blade. That might be just a bit too good a deal to hold out hope for, i'm afraid...

23rd July 2012, 08:39 PM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	I would agree with David regarding the materials of the kinatah, I apparently see some traces of "vert de gris" (green copper compound) on the reverse side of the blade, which should indicate that the kinatah is from brass (may be gilt). Regarding the estimated age of the piece, the seller just says that it was brought to the US after WW2 but this is not a very accurate statement From the pictures and if it was my decision I would categorize the kris as probably from tangguh kamardikan muda Madura but of course I can prove wrong and the piece is quite well made. The seller also proposes another kris with a kinatah blade of similar quality. Regards

24th July 2012, 03:35 PM	#7
DAHenkel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 125	in the eighties keris of this type were fairly common in Jalan Surabaya. I would make this about 30 years old giver or take a few year...