Twistcore kris with... erm.. Wha-- What is this?

kai · 12th June 2012, 10:36 PM

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I'm in favor of not messing with it.

I have no real stake in this since the current caretaker is entitled to make a wise decision. Please allow a few comments though to explain my reasoning:

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1) From what the pics show the handle and wrap look well done.

Certainly not a traditional grip wrap (i.e. not any Moro style) and I would be surprised if the flared pommel doesn't come in the way when "playing" with the sword.

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2) There does appear to be some age to the rehilt, yes I know that can be faked

Very possibly vintage. Extra points for an old mistake, anyone?

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3) More importantly; the rehilit incorporated the ferrule and baca-baca. This means someone understood or at least wanted to preserve what was there. I lean toward someone knew what they were doing as these things have a habit of being removed and sold.

Would have anyone with a passing knowledge of Moro kris pommels come up with this flared pommel including a brass cap?

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4) It's kinda a unique and someone went through some effort to do it that way which means it may have some history behind it.

Ok, don't toss it but keep it in a drawer (I never throw collection pieces away). IMVHO keeping this combo "as is" is a disgrace to the neat blade though.

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All that said; nice piece! These are a favorite of mine, so I have fondness for them and like to see them preserved un-altered as much as possible.

I'm with you regarding preserving genuine pieces. I don't see any point in preserving mistakes that most likely have been done outside the originating culture by people with possibly good intentions but obviously very limited knowledge.

Regards,
Kai

ThePepperSkull · 12th June 2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

Ok, don't toss it but keep it in a drawer (I never throw collection pieces away). IMVHO keeping this combo "as is" is a disgrace to the neat blade though.

I'm with you regarding preserving genuine pieces. I don't see any point in preserving mistakes that most likely have been done outside the originating culture by people with possibly good intentions but obviously very limited knowledge.

Regards,
Kai

And now I find myself even more conflicted, as these are some very good points. I can see both sides of the argument at this point.

I am interested to see where this goes, but I feel I must remind us all that we are friends here and as different as our opinions get, we will benefit from discourse and dialogue rather than argumentative back-and-forths. Hasn't happened yet, but I thought I'd pre-empt it before it gets heated and degenerates into something less civil.

I await all of your responses!

VANDOO · 12th June 2012, 11:47 PM

THERE IS NO PROBLEM, NO PRESSURE

WE ALL HAVE OUR INDIVIDUAL WAYS OF LOOKING AT COLLECTING.
FROM A STRICTLY PURE MORO IDEAL A GOOD OLD MORO HANDLE , PERHAPS WITH A WELL PATINATED IVORY COCATOOA CIRC 1890 WOULD LOOK GREAT ON THIS BLADE. AND WHILE WE ARE WISHING A GOOD OLD SCABBARD THAT FITS WITH SILVER. THAT WOULD RESTORE THIS BLADE TO ITS OLD GLORY AND BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WOULD BE MY CHOICE IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. BUT TO COME UP WITH THESE TRULY OLD QUALITY ITEMS IS ALSO LIKELY WISHFUL THINKING.
TO HAVE NEWLY MADE HANDLE AND FITTINGS AND SCABBARD IS JUST NOT THE SAME IN MY VIEW. TO DO IT PROPERLY WOULD BE QUITE EXPENSIVE AND YOU MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH THE RESULTS WHEN DONE.
THE BLADE SURELY DOES NEED A GOOD ETCH TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE AT ITS BEST. SO THE HANDLE CAN BE REMOVED FOR THAT IF YOU WANT. CHECK INSIDE THE HANDLE TO SEE APPROX AGE AS WELL TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY BUDHIST PRAYERS ON PAPER WITHIN.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HOW THE SWORD HANDLES AND FEELS IN USE. IT IS SUGGESTED THE HANDLE WOULD MAKE ITS USE AWKWARD BUT IT DOSEN'T LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT IN SIZE FROM SOME MORO COCATOOA HILTS IVE SEEN AND SMALLER THAN THE GIANT IVORY ONES WHICH ARE A BIT UNWIELDLY.

I JUST THINK AN ATTEMPT SHOULD BE MADE TO FIND OUT HOW AND WHY AND PERPHAPS BY WHOM THIS KRIS WAS CUSTOMIZED BY A PREVIOUS OWNER AND TO KEEP IT WITH THE KRIS WHEN IT IS PASSED ON TO ITS NEXT HOME IN THE FAR FUTURE. IN THE MEANTIME DO AS YOU WISH AND ENJOY IT AND DON'T FEEL GUILTY REGARDLESS OF YOUR DECISIONS.

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12th June 2012, 11:47 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THERE IS NO PROBLEM, NO PRESSURE WE ALL HAVE OUR INDIVIDUAL WAYS OF LOOKING AT COLLECTING. FROM A STRICTLY PURE MORO IDEAL A GOOD OLD MORO HANDLE , PERHAPS WITH A WELL PATINATED IVORY COCATOOA CIRC 1890 WOULD LOOK GREAT ON THIS BLADE. AND WHILE WE ARE WISHING A GOOD OLD SCABBARD THAT FITS WITH SILVER. THAT WOULD RESTORE THIS BLADE TO ITS OLD GLORY AND BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WOULD BE MY CHOICE IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. BUT TO COME UP WITH THESE TRULY OLD QUALITY ITEMS IS ALSO LIKELY WISHFUL THINKING. TO HAVE NEWLY MADE HANDLE AND FITTINGS AND SCABBARD IS JUST NOT THE SAME IN MY VIEW. TO DO IT PROPERLY WOULD BE QUITE EXPENSIVE AND YOU MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH THE RESULTS WHEN DONE. THE BLADE SURELY DOES NEED A GOOD ETCH TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE AT ITS BEST. SO THE HANDLE CAN BE REMOVED FOR THAT IF YOU WANT. CHECK INSIDE THE HANDLE TO SEE APPROX AGE AS WELL TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY BUDHIST PRAYERS ON PAPER WITHIN. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HOW THE SWORD HANDLES AND FEELS IN USE. IT IS SUGGESTED THE HANDLE WOULD MAKE ITS USE AWKWARD BUT IT DOSEN'T LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT IN SIZE FROM SOME MORO COCATOOA HILTS IVE SEEN AND SMALLER THAN THE GIANT IVORY ONES WHICH ARE A BIT UNWIELDLY. I JUST THINK AN ATTEMPT SHOULD BE MADE TO FIND OUT HOW AND WHY AND PERPHAPS BY WHOM THIS KRIS WAS CUSTOMIZED BY A PREVIOUS OWNER AND TO KEEP IT WITH THE KRIS WHEN IT IS PASSED ON TO ITS NEXT HOME IN THE FAR FUTURE. IN THE MEANTIME DO AS YOU WISH AND ENJOY IT AND DON'T FEEL GUILTY REGARDLESS OF YOUR DECISIONS.