Two handed swords

cornelistromp · 7th April 2012, 01:14 PM

here I do not agree, this could well be a true katzbalger.
the blade looks at least good and authentic, both the position and the shape of the stamped mark, the length but also the warrior engraving probably of ABONIS and HIPORIS do look ok... 16th century.
I know at least 3 original 16th century swords with similar warrior engraving. swords from the 19th century with this type of engraving are unknown to me, but this does not mean that they don't exist.
For similar example of those warriors see Hermann Historica sale 64 lot 2312.

than the hilt, a similar, well almost indentical checked pattern at the s-guard with latten/brass can be seen on the katzbalger nr 95 published in Europaische Hieb UND Stich Waffen, Mueller, Koelling p.189. The grip is less convincing but this could be a later replacement or restoration.

best,

Matchlock · 7th April 2012, 01:20 PM

Hi Jasper,

Sorry for not sharing your opinion.

As I said it is a good and detailed copy but there are decisive details on both the hilt and ricasso that clerarly show the differences.

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 7th April 2012, 01:32 PM

of course it is good to disagree sometimes and besides Michael you can always adjust your opinion later

here a magnificent 19th century (16thC style) katzbalger with good ricasso style characteristics. same mark as the 19thC katzbalger that you mailed me

best,

Matchlock · 7th April 2012, 01:35 PM

I cannot see it.

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cornelistromp · 7th April 2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Matchlock

I cannot see it.

m

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Matchlock · 7th April 2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cornelistromp

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Seems I missed the pictures; now they are there.

cornelistromp · 7th April 2012, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Seems I missed the pictures; now they are there.

I forgot to place them at the first time, sorry!

7th April 2012, 01:32 PM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,069	of course it is good to disagree sometimes and besides Michael you can always adjust your opinion later here a magnificent 19th century (16thC style) katzbalger with good ricasso style characteristics. same mark as the 19thC katzbalger that you mailed me best, Attached Images

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7th April 2012, 01:14 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,069	here I do not agree, this could well be a true katzbalger. the blade looks at least good and authentic, both the position and the shape of the stamped mark, the length but also the warrior engraving probably of ABONIS and HIPORIS do look ok... 16th century. I know at least 3 original 16th century swords with similar warrior engraving. swords from the 19th century with this type of engraving are unknown to me, but this does not mean that they don't exist. For similar example of those warriors see Hermann Historica sale 64 lot 2312. than the hilt, a similar, well almost indentical checked pattern at the s-guard with latten/brass can be seen on the katzbalger nr 95 published in Europaische Hieb UND Stich Waffen, Mueller, Koelling p.189. The grip is less convincing but this could be a later replacement or restoration. best,

7th April 2012, 01:20 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jasper, Sorry for not sharing your opinion. As I said it is a good and detailed copy but there are decisive details on both the hilt and ricasso that clerarly show the differences. Best, Michael

7th April 2012, 01:35 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I cannot see it. m