Is This a MORO SWORD ???

mykeris · 17th August 2005, 03:37 AM

Alam Shah, Could you kindly take a photo of the page, and post it here. I appreciate if you can do that, something very interesting to learn. I have gone to many keris sites to check on similarities of this sword, couldnt find any. TQ

Alam Shah · 17th August 2005, 04:10 AM

I do not have the reference with me now...will update tonight.

Rick · 17th August 2005, 02:11 PM

The blade seems quite a bit broader than the example in Stones .

If my feet were held to the fire

I'd have to say that IMO this is a sword,keris of Bugis origin , battle sized and never had baca baca .

See this example , first post :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...2&page=1&pp=30

Alam Shah · 17th August 2005, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

The blade seems quite a bit broader than the example in Stones .

If my feet were held to the fire

I'd have to say that IMO this is a sword,keris of Bugis origin , battle sized and never had baca baca .

I kind of agree with you. With the picture comparison, this piece is broader and shorter. The term "keris kacukan" ("mixed keris" in malay) comes to mind. (Sorry rahman, 'borrowed' your term).

mykeris · 17th August 2005, 02:32 PM

Thanks Alam Shah for the photo, surely useful for further study.

DIYAR · 18th August 2005, 05:17 AM

Hello, IMO this is a special limited edition Combat-Sundang of the
Bugis or Moro origin, 300 yrs old or more. A Moro Datu Paing
or Bugis Chieftain sundang. The ganya tells us more of Bugis bran-
ding, blade profile is even of Bugis or Moro
of unknown evidence. Patches of
harzardous meteorite pamoer evident at lower prt of blade, the rest is Adeg.
Very superior look, great piece.

r

nechesh · 18th August 2005, 11:39 AM

Hi DIYAR, welcome to the forum. Now forgive me if i grill you a little bit.

"harzardous meteorite pamoer" ?!

What ever do you mean by that? How could you possible tell from these photographs if meteoric pamor was used when even scientific tests on the blades metals themselves would not be conclusive on such a question? And if so (BIG "If) what would possibly be "hazardous" about it?
What gives you the impression that this was a Datu of Chieftain's blade? How can you determine this from the blade alone (remember, this is not the original hilt and was only recently added)?
You mention Moro possibilities twice in your post but state nothing to back this up. What do you mean by "Moro of unknown evidence"? Have you ever seen another Moro blade with pamor adeg? Or one with this type of blade profile? What about this blade makes you date it at "300 yrs old or more"? What do you find to be "superior" about the look of this blade?

Alam Shah · 18th August 2005, 03:34 PM

Hi Diyar,
Welcome...

Alam Shah · 17th August 2005, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

I do not have the reference with me now...will update tonight.

As promised...

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DIYAR Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2	Hello, IMO this is a special limited edition Combat-Sundang of the Bugis or Moro origin, 300 yrs old or more. A Moro Datu Paing or Bugis Chieftain sundang. The ganya tells us more of Bugis bran- ding, blade profile is even of Bugis or Moro of unknown evidence. Patches of harzardous meteorite pamoer evident at lower prt of blade, the rest is Adeg. Very superior look, great piece. r Last edited by DIYAR; 18th August 2005 at 05:52 AM.

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17th August 2005, 03:37 AM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Alam Shah, Could you kindly take a photo of the page, and post it here. I appreciate if you can do that, something very interesting to learn. I have gone to many keris sites to check on similarities of this sword, couldnt find any. TQ

17th August 2005, 02:11 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	The blade seems quite a bit broader than the example in Stones . If my feet were held to the fire I'd have to say that IMO this is a sword,keris of Bugis origin , battle sized and never had baca baca . See this example , first post : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...2&page=1&pp=30

17th August 2005, 02:32 PM	#5
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks Alam Shah for the photo, surely useful for further study.

18th August 2005, 11:39 AM	#7
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hi DIYAR, welcome to the forum. Now forgive me if i grill you a little bit. "harzardous meteorite pamoer" ?! What ever do you mean by that? How could you possible tell from these photographs if meteoric pamor was used when even scientific tests on the blades metals themselves would not be conclusive on such a question? And if so (BIG "If) what would possibly be "hazardous" about it? What gives you the impression that this was a Datu of Chieftain's blade? How can you determine this from the blade alone (remember, this is not the original hilt and was only recently added)? You mention Moro possibilities twice in your post but state nothing to back this up. What do you mean by "Moro of unknown evidence"? Have you ever seen another Moro blade with pamor adeg? Or one with this type of blade profile? What about this blade makes you date it at "300 yrs old or more"? What do you find to be "superior" about the look of this blade?