Translation request Katar

Congoblades · 30th January 2012, 05:13 PM

Thanks a lot for the info,

Greets

Emanuel · 31st January 2012, 06:09 AM

Hello,

Bhushan, I notice that on the kattar with the etched inscription the Ki has the long form "ee" after the "K" whereas the kard with the chiselled inscription has the short form "i" before the "K".

Any reason for this? Could it be due to poor literacy on the part of the scribe?

Emanuel

Jens Nordlunde · 31st January 2012, 01:31 PM

Hi Steve,
I have had another look at the Kishangarh chiselled mark on your kard, and I must say it looks very crisp to me - is it very crisp?
If it is, it may have been made recently to make a quick imitation of the original etched Kishangarh mark. Like I said before, I have never seen these marks made in another way than etched.
That I have not seen these marks chiselled, does not mean that some weapons could not have had chiselled markings, but when at the same time, the marking is very crisp, something tells me, that this should be investigated further.
I have not seen the whole kard, but from what I have seen of the blade, I have no doubt it is old, but is the chiselling also old?
Jens

bhushan_lawate · 1st February 2012, 04:40 AM

Hi,

Sorry couldn't reply earlier. Have sparing access to the net...!!!

The "Ki" and "Kee" which is the short and long pronunciation was used alternatively with no difference against to the difference defined in modern day grammar.

Hope that clarifies..

Regards,
Bhushan

archer · 1st February 2012, 09:12 PM

Hi Jens, I came about this knife in a lot with another knife and photo copies of two of Dr. Pants books. No mention was made acknowledging the marks. This is much like, the chicken and the egg. Jens, you may well be right, but, wouldn't Incised marks would be less likely to wear vs. the surface ?
The photos show pitting in the "3" looking symbol 2nd from the right it has some pitting in the chiseled area. Question is when did the minor pitting occur? Regards, Steve

Jens Nordlunde · 2nd February 2012, 01:34 PM

Hi Steve,

Sorry, but I doubt that it is pitting in the ’3’, but as you have the kard in your hand, and I have a picture, although a very good one, to judge from, you have the benefit, and so I don’t think I can be of any more ‘help’. Thank you for showing the whole kard.

Jens

1st February 2012, 09:12 PM	#5
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Chiseled marks Hi Jens, I came about this knife in a lot with another knife and photo copies of two of Dr. Pants books. No mention was made acknowledging the marks. This is much like, the chicken and the egg. Jens, you may well be right, but, wouldn't Incised marks would be less likely to wear vs. the surface ? The photos show pitting in the "3" looking symbol 2nd from the right it has some pitting in the chiseled area. Question is when did the minor pitting occur? Regards, Steve Attached Images

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30th January 2012, 05:13 PM	#1
Congoblades Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 171	Thanks a lot for the info, Greets

31st January 2012, 06:09 AM	#2
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hello, Bhushan, I notice that on the kattar with the etched inscription the Ki has the long form "ee" after the "K" whereas the kard with the chiselled inscription has the short form "i" before the "K". Any reason for this? Could it be due to poor literacy on the part of the scribe? Emanuel

31st January 2012, 01:31 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Steve, I have had another look at the Kishangarh chiselled mark on your kard, and I must say it looks very crisp to me - is it very crisp? If it is, it may have been made recently to make a quick imitation of the original etched Kishangarh mark. Like I said before, I have never seen these marks made in another way than etched. That I have not seen these marks chiselled, does not mean that some weapons could not have had chiselled markings, but when at the same time, the marking is very crisp, something tells me, that this should be investigated further. I have not seen the whole kard, but from what I have seen of the blade, I have no doubt it is old, but is the chiselling also old? Jens

1st February 2012, 04:40 AM	#4
bhushan_lawate Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: India Posts: 77	Hi, Sorry couldn't reply earlier. Have sparing access to the net...!!! The "Ki" and "Kee" which is the short and long pronunciation was used alternatively with no difference against to the difference defined in modern day grammar. Hope that clarifies.. Regards, Bhushan

2nd February 2012, 01:34 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Steve, Sorry, but I doubt that it is pitting in the ’3’, but as you have the kard in your hand, and I have a picture, although a very good one, to judge from, you have the benefit, and so I don’t think I can be of any more ‘help’. Thank you for showing the whole kard. Jens