Chinese Jian sword

KuKulzA28 · 23rd January 2012, 04:44 PM

饕餮 is pronounced tāo tiè

so the first word the _āo is like the ou in "ouch", tāo in a neutral tone
and tiè, not like a bow-tie but tee-eh except all connected with the last eh sound having a "downwards" tone

Some folks like the numbers to indicate tone, others like the way I shown here...

like BluErf already mentioned, it's some mythical beast

Hope this helps.

Bill M · 23rd January 2012, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KuKulzA28

饕餮 is pronounced tāo tiè

so the first word the _āo is like the ou in "ouch", tāo in a neutral tone
and tiè, not like a bow-tie but tee-eh except all connected with the last eh sound having a "downwards" tone

Some folks like the numbers to indicate tone, others like the way I shown here...

like BluErf already mentioned, it's some mythical beast

Hope this helps.

Ah, so the T is pronounced as a hard T. I had heard Tao pronounced "Dow", but should be "tow" as in "ouch"?

It seems the "Tao" has something to do with your spiritual path.

So the phrase "TaoTiè" is this the name of the mythical beast? Or is it a phrase?

KuKulzA28 · 23rd January 2012, 07:51 PM

This 饕餮 is pronounced tāo tiè with T sounds.
It is the name of a mythical monster.

the "tao" you are referring to is more properly spelled as dào. Different methods, Wade-giles, pinyin, etc. have different spellings. This makes it much more confusing. The tao like in taoism is a D

Dào, or 道, is like Daoism (Taoism), direction, way, path, method, etc. It is pronounced with a D sound.

In Indonesia and Philippines, there is the name "kuntao" which is the Fujianese/Hokkien way of saying 拳道, or kun tao a.k.a. Quan Dao / Chuan Dow... which literally means "Fist Way" or "Boxing Method". Remember, tone makes all the difference, this is not the same dao as knife/saber. I think in normal Chinese grammar this (kuntao) is awkward as Dao implies a philosophy or spiritual way like in Daoism/Taoism. But perhaps the Hokkien in maritime SE Asia has changed somewhat from its Fujianese/Taiwanese roots. Or perhaps it's a local "bastardization"?? Also notice Aikido, or Taekwondo (Japanese & Korean which have linguistic similarities to Chinese)... the "do" seems to be used the same way kuntao uses "tao" - aka Way of the Fist or whatever... This makes it more confusing because different dialects of Chinese languages have their own sounds, and Mandarin is considered relatively simple, normally having only 4 tones. Cantonese and Taiwanese/Fujianese/Hokkien have 8+ I think....

I hope this helps you.
Speaking Mandarin as your 1st language is useful sometimes.

yuanzhumin · 24th January 2012, 05:29 PM

Hi Kukulza,

Well I have been away from the forum for a couple of months, but it's good to be back.

Just a little word to precise that the Cantonese has 6 tones (not 8), while the Hokkien/Taiwanese has 8 (the mandarin has 4 tones only, but its already complicate enough for me with these 4 : ))

Warm regards

yuanzhumin

KuKulzA28 · 24th January 2012, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuanzhumin

Just a little word to precise that the Cantonese has 6 tones (not 8), while the Hokkien/Taiwanese has 8 (the mandarin has 4 tones only, but its already complicate enough for me with these 4 : ))

AH! Thanks for the correction. Figures I'd get Cantonese wrong - I don't speak it!

But yeah, Taiwanese 8 tones, Mandarin 4... I knew that. Speakin' of those two languages, I really need to start brushing up on my "native tongues"... it's getting neglected out here in America where I use English a LOT more... My Taiwanese is retarded and my Mandarin is mediocre now... I must also work on my literacy - just being able to speak and listen isn't good enough!

yuanzhumin · 24th January 2012, 06:25 PM

Kukulza,

I'm in Taichung now where I spend the Chinese New Year with my inlaws.

I wish you and all the members of this forum a happy chinese year of the dragon!

In Taiwanese, the 2 traditional wishes are:

’Kiung hi!’ (translation : in mandarin, ‘Gong qi !)’ May you be successful!

and ‘Tchiok li gei gong ! (in mandarin : ‘Zhu ni jiankang !’ - wish you a good health).

Warm regards,

yuanzhumin

ThePepperSkull · 24th January 2012, 09:09 PM

Gorgeous Jian, Bill!

It's 31 inches overall, how long is just the blade?

Who did the fittings and scabbard/hilt? you mentioned they are recent. They look fantastic!

KuKulzA28 · 27th January 2012, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuanzhumin

Kukulza,

I'm in Taichung now where I spend the Chinese New Year with my inlaws.

I wish you and all the members of this forum a happy chinese year of the dragon!

In Taiwanese, the 2 traditional wishes are:

’Kiung hi!’ (translation : in mandarin, ‘Gong qi !)’ May you be successful!

and ‘Tchiok li gei gong ! (in mandarin : ‘Zhu ni jiankang !’ - wish you a good health).

Warm regards,

yuanzhumin

Thanks yuanzhumin... ah I wish I could have be in Taiwan with my relatives during the New Years...

23rd January 2012, 07:51 PM	#3
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	This 饕餮 is pronounced tāo tiè with T sounds. It is the name of a mythical monster. the "tao" you are referring to is more properly spelled as dào. Different methods, Wade-giles, pinyin, etc. have different spellings. This makes it much more confusing. The tao like in taoism is a D Dào, or 道, is like Daoism (Taoism), direction, way, path, method, etc. It is pronounced with a D sound. In Indonesia and Philippines, there is the name "kuntao" which is the Fujianese/Hokkien way of saying 拳道, or kun tao a.k.a. Quan Dao / Chuan Dow... which literally means "Fist Way" or "Boxing Method". Remember, tone makes all the difference, this is not the same dao as knife/saber. I think in normal Chinese grammar this (kuntao) is awkward as Dao implies a philosophy or spiritual way like in Daoism/Taoism. But perhaps the Hokkien in maritime SE Asia has changed somewhat from its Fujianese/Taiwanese roots. Or perhaps it's a local "bastardization"?? Also notice Aikido, or Taekwondo (Japanese & Korean which have linguistic similarities to Chinese)... the "do" seems to be used the same way kuntao uses "tao" - aka Way of the Fist or whatever... This makes it more confusing because different dialects of Chinese languages have their own sounds, and Mandarin is considered relatively simple, normally having only 4 tones. Cantonese and Taiwanese/Fujianese/Hokkien have 8+ I think.... I hope this helps you. Speaking Mandarin as your 1st language is useful sometimes. Last edited by KuKulzA28; 23rd January 2012 at 08:35 PM.

24th January 2012, 05:29 PM	#4
yuanzhumin Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ex-Taipei, Taiwan, now in Shanghai, China Posts: 180	Among the southern languages (minnanhua) Hi Kukulza, Well I have been away from the forum for a couple of months, but it's good to be back. Just a little word to precise that the Cantonese has 6 tones (not 8), while the Hokkien/Taiwanese has 8 (the mandarin has 4 tones only, but its already complicate enough for me with these 4 : )) Warm regards yuanzhumin

24th January 2012, 06:25 PM	#6
yuanzhumin Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ex-Taipei, Taiwan, now in Shanghai, China Posts: 180	Happy Chinese year of the Dragon (Kiung hi, kiung hi!) Kukulza, I'm in Taichung now where I spend the Chinese New Year with my inlaws. I wish you and all the members of this forum a happy chinese year of the dragon! In Taiwanese, the 2 traditional wishes are: ’Kiung hi!’ (translation : in mandarin, ‘Gong qi !)’ May you be successful! and ‘Tchiok li gei gong ! (in mandarin : ‘Zhu ni jiankang !’ - wish you a good health). Warm regards, yuanzhumin

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23rd January 2012, 04:44 PM	#1
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	饕餮 is pronounced tāo tiè so the first word the _āo is like the ou in "ouch", tāo in a neutral tone and tiè, not like a bow-tie but tee-eh except all connected with the last eh sound having a "downwards" tone Some folks like the numbers to indicate tone, others like the way I shown here... like BluErf already mentioned, it's some mythical beast Hope this helps.

24th January 2012, 09:09 PM	#7
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Gorgeous Jian, Bill! It's 31 inches overall, how long is just the blade? Who did the fittings and scabbard/hilt? you mentioned they are recent. They look fantastic!