Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords

fernando · 15th January 2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cornelistromp

@ Fernando,
I also think that if you carefully clean your katzbalger, not overclean(= a kill) of course, you do not believe what you see.

Noted

cornelistromp · 15th January 2012, 08:07 PM

I have sent a few pictures of my scabbard to JP Puype the former curator of the Army Museum, and author of Arms and Armour of knights and Landknechts.

here is a quote from his mail reply( I have translated it from Dutch into Englisch);

Finally, the sheath (P1020890 pictures and -889), I think a good example of a sheath for a landsknecht. Only we know too little sheaths of landsknechtdaggers for this one to be called typical or atypical , but it seems OK to me, I think the sheath dates back to the mid-sixteenth century.

I am currently working two days a week at the archeology department of the municipality of Amsterdam on the handling of the weapon finds from the north south line. Among the many hundreds of objects I have a sheath of a landsknecht dagger identified, please note almost identical to the sheath of such a dagger at the Army Museum, see my latest book Cat.73, p.234-237 Arms and Armour of knights and Landknechts (thanks for your compliment!). I attach a scan of the magazine which I describe below nr.350 a rough sketch of the sheath that I have made. The service had indentified the object initially as " flag shoe", or as also a tube to carry a flag pole.

Sincerely,
Jan Piet Puype.

best,

Matchlock · 16th January 2012, 01:49 AM

Wow, that's what I call a well-based piece of information!

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Matchlock · 19th January 2012, 05:28 PM

A fine hand-and-a-half sword, ca. 1530, part of a polychrome wooden statue of a knight, photographed by the author in the Museum of Weissenburg, Bavaria.

Please note the knife and bodkin in their separate compartments of the sheath!

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 19th January 2012, 06:00 PM

One of several known variants of the Lucretia Borgia motif with a fine dagger.
painting by Lucas Cranach the Elder, 1530's.

m

broadaxe · 19th January 2012, 08:33 PM

Amazing details! Most likely an ear dagger. Lucas Cranach Sr. is one of my favorites, his paintings have a special dark atmosphere.

Matchlock · 19th January 2012, 09:12 PM

Exactly, Tony,

He is one of my Early Renaissance favorites as well.

I assume it is no longer an ear dagger (for the 1530's-40's) but a rondel dagger - but that of course is not clearly visible.

Best,
Michael

15th January 2012, 08:07 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	I have sent a few pictures of my scabbard to JP Puype the former curator of the Army Museum, and author of Arms and Armour of knights and Landknechts. here is a quote from his mail reply( I have translated it from Dutch into Englisch); Finally, the sheath (P1020890 pictures and -889), I think a good example of a sheath for a landsknecht. Only we know too little sheaths of landsknechtdaggers for this one to be called typical or atypical , but it seems OK to me, I think the sheath dates back to the mid-sixteenth century. I am currently working two days a week at the archeology department of the municipality of Amsterdam on the handling of the weapon finds from the north south line. Among the many hundreds of objects I have a sheath of a landsknecht dagger identified, please note almost identical to the sheath of such a dagger at the Army Museum, see my latest book Cat.73, p.234-237 Arms and Armour of knights and Landknechts (thanks for your compliment!). I attach a scan of the magazine which I describe below nr.350 a rough sketch of the sheath that I have made. The service had indentified the object initially as " flag shoe", or as also a tube to carry a flag pole. Sincerely, Jan Piet Puype. best, Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 16th January 2012 at 11:43 AM.

19th January 2012, 05:28 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A fine hand-and-a-half sword, ca. 1530, part of a polychrome wooden statue of a knight, photographed by the author in the Museum of Weissenburg, Bavaria. Please note the knife and bodkin in their separate compartments of the sheath! Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 19th January 2012 at 06:24 PM.

19th January 2012, 06:00 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	One of several known variants of the Lucretia Borgia motif with a fine dagger. painting by Lucas Cranach the Elder, 1530's. m Attached Images

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16th January 2012, 01:49 AM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Wow, that's what I call a well-based piece of information! m

19th January 2012, 08:33 PM	#6
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	Amazing details! Most likely an ear dagger. Lucas Cranach Sr. is one of my favorites, his paintings have a special dark atmosphere.

19th January 2012, 09:12 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Exactly, Tony, He is one of my Early Renaissance favorites as well. I assume it is no longer an ear dagger (for the 1530's-40's) but a rondel dagger - but that of course is not clearly visible. Best, Michael