Keris info

[Mans]

Originally Posted by jor-el

Dear Mans,

welcome to this keris talk. Which is your opinion for the pamor - dapour and rest of characteristics of the keris and which might be its spiritual power (related to the characteristics of course).

Best regards,

Themis

Indeed that the keris, specially the old keris has a spiritual power. But not all of keris. To know about the spiritual power, we should hold the keris, feel the energy and vibration of it, not just from pictures. Some people said that they can know about the energy of the keris from pictures. But I didn't think so, because the pictures bring no anything the energy of the object, can edited and can be not same with the object.

The Pamor is Wos Wutah (Strewn Rice), probably a name known to all those interested in keris. Not only for its beauty and good qualities, like another pamor, but also because of its great variety in motifs, which can easily confuse the name Beras (Wos) Wutah, when in doubt. Sometimes we can confused with pamor Pedharingan Kebak (fully of the blade) or Kulit Semongko (watermelon skin).
The Dapur called Kidang Soka.

I hope useful.
Mans.

[Alam Shah]

Hi Mans,

Thank you for the visual examples. It is useful to see it in pictures.

[Sepang]

hi alamsyah ,

why did you retract your opinion ? do you still think that it's a surakarta keris ?

[Sepang]

hi mans , thanks for the samples ....

so it could be made between majapahit - early mataram era... isn't it ?

[Mans]

Originally Posted by Sepang

hi mans , thanks for the samples ....

so it could be made between majapahit - early mataram era... isn't it ?

Hi AlamShah & Bill,
I supposed that Themis keris made from Early Mataram Period.
Generally Majapahit keris has a slightly blade and longer gonjo called Sebit Ron Tal which has oval form at front of gonjo (Jawa = Sirah Cecak). The iron has smooth vibrous. And the other side, Keris from early Mataram period (Mataram Senopaten) also taking some characteristic of Majapahit keris, like Luk, slighty gonjo, but the iron made not too good as Majapahit keris. Commonly, Keris from early Mataram period used the full pamor pattern on the blade in order to hidding the ironwork.

But, keris from Mataram Sultan Agungan period, has the good ironwork as Majapahit period. It can be happen because at Sultan Agung period, the keris cultures was grow up. Keris from early Mataram Sultan Agungan period has characteristic as Mataram Senopaten, but the ironwork more better. It has smooth iron. Many keris was made at this period by many mPu (about 700 mPu from Kraton and the leader is mPu Supo Anom / Ki Nom). And the tehcnique of pamor and work more complicated.

End of Mataram Sultan Agungan period, the keris looks more handsome and stronger. This shape continued by mPu from Mataram Amangkurat and Surokarto period, but the blade more wider and stronger look.

Indeed that to know the tangguh (estimated period) of the keris, specially Javanese keris is too complicated, because there are too many kingdoms. Each of kingdoms bring the different characteristic on ironwork, row material, pamor and style (Jawa = Pasikutan). So that why many discussion about the Javanese keris, specifically of Tangguh was never ending. And often ending by misunderstanding.

I hope the different opinion about the keris can showing that the keris cultures has deep senses. And realy sorry if my opinion not to clear.

Best regards,
Mans.

[Alam Shah]

Hi Mans,
Thanks for the explanation. You've answered some of my doubts regarding majapahit and mataram era differences. As the differences are subtle, understanding of the different materials would aid to differentiate the tangguh. However an absolute answer would be difficult to derive. Therefore with only pictures, the best answer that can be achieved would be an estimated guesswork, right?

[Mans]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Hi Mans,
..... However an absolute answer would be difficult to derive. Therefore with only pictures, the best answer that can be achieved would be an estimated guesswork, right?

Absolutely right, Alam. Thank you.. but I always waiting for your advice at my album

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Sepang

hi alamshah,
why did you retract your opinion ? do you still think that it's a surakarta keris ?

Hi Sepang,
After re-reading the comments, I found that you thought I was refering to tangguh Surakarta but what I was refering to is actually made in Surakarta area. Therefore, my comments would not be relevant.

In the first place, I did mentioned that I would not know the difference between a majapahit era and a mataram era piece.

It is a good learning experience. Thank you for your responses.

[Bill]

Great post, Mans. Thanks for the examples. Can you offer any opinion on the iron used in your examples as well as general info on the iron used in the different periods?