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A very peculiarly interesting sword, ofcourse it does have a governmental seal.(why it is engraved not stamped
)On the inscription if you can get it one line at a time i can get it translated for you (the reflection is not helping). on the date it say - fee sanat hijree 1298 في سنة هجري ۱۲۹۸ , now that is in Arabic meaning { In hijree year of 1298} why would they write it in Arabic, that is why i said peculiar. Why would an Afghan governmental sword have Arabic writings it baffles me. Now the year , right now it is 1390 HS (solar) and 1433 HQ (lunar), The mark is from the time of Nader or Zaher shah, maybe Amanullah.That would put us at most to 1918, the sword is around 92 years old (if we go the solar way), which would put up around 1913. Amanullah came to power around 1918. I have not seen Habibullah's swords to be of that style, or that seal. Correction: i just noticed that I calculated wrong, the age is right at 92 years, which puts it at 1919 which is right for Amanullah's period. Last edited by AJ1356; 24th December 2011 at 01:06 PM. |
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Salamam Aleikum ya AJ1356
I may said, that the cartouches aren't in Arabic might be, in "patchoun" or "farsi" , I dunno concerning the date, it's correct to translate the mention (it's possible to translate by Arabic, due might be to some similitudes) FI SANA HEGIRE 1298 either IN THE YEAR OF HEGIRE 1298 ... either 1880 Gregorian à + Dom |
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Thanks Rick
I'm mistaken , if I said, "great similitude" between the two swords ? à + Dom |
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DOM, the cartouches are not in Arabic but the date is written in Arabic, which is why I said it is peculiar. Also if we go the Lunar way and put the age at 1880 something (don't remember what year you wrote) then it makes the sword more suspect. Because the seal we have on the sword and this style of swords are after the 3rd Anglo-Afghan wars, which puts us at around 1919 or newer.
That seal was first used by King Amanullah who became king in 1919 and subsequently started the modernization and standardization of the country and army, plus getting closer to the Ruskies, unfortunately that was his downfall since it pissed off the Brits and they used the mullahs to bring him down.
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on mode vernacular, Arabic vocabulary is present as well as, in Persan, Pachtou, Ourdou ..and sure, some other languages for instance, I've a "Pala" with 2 cartouches in Turkish, no understanding BUT ... , the 3rd, a small cartouche where in mentioned ; owner name, and date, every thing it's like in Arabic, does it's Arabic really, I dunno may be comun to all those languages Quote:
http://www.islamicfinder.org/dateCon...&date_result=1 à + Dom |
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The above mentioned languages is influenced by Arabic, as in Arabic or Arabic based letters are used. They are thier own individual languages and anyone familiar with them would not mistake one with another. For example Arabic has 28 letters Farsi has 32 letters Pashto has somewhere around 44 and Urdu falls somewhere between the 2. Now I read write and speak Farsi and Pashtu, with a little understanding of Arabic and much more of Urdu. The date converter is all dandy except I bet it is based on Lunar. On this side of the world we use Hijree Shamsi (Solar). As you know every 100 Lunar years equals to roughly 94 Solar years that is why ه ق is at 1433 while ه ش is at 1390 both have the same start date. I hope all this explains why I said what I said
![]() The sword above has the blade from this type of sword, one can notice the stamped seal and also 13 for the first digits of the year. http://www.geocities.ws/ar0se/Arms/afghan/afghan.html I still need better pictures to get to the bottom of the translation. Addition after my correction above: I showed the pictures to someone else who thinks the sword is new not old.
Last edited by AJ1356; 24th December 2011 at 01:07 PM. |
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