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Spunjer · 20th December 2011, 09:53 PM

pictured is Panglima Unga, barung master extraordinaire, patriarch of the Unga clan from Talipao

to reinterate on the ranking system in Sulu: A datu comes from the royal line. His father is either the Sultan or a datu. A panglima is the head of a kauman or district, that is large enough. The title is conferred upon the person by the sultan. The Panglima represents the people in matters to be brought to the sultan, like a mayor. some Panglima are chosen as members of the Ruma Bichara, which is like a Parliiament. The Ruma Bichara (supreme council or "house of talk") formulates laws and decides with the Sultan questions on matters of state, where the Panglima members are like the House of Commons and the Datu members are like the House of Lords. The Ruma Bichara also decides who is and proclaims the Sultan. No Sultan can be proclaimed by any one person unilaterally. It has to be the unanimous choice of the Ruma Bichara. The term "panglima" started when there were only five districts in the sultanate: Maimbung, Patikul, Parang, Luuk, and Latih. Thus, pangLIMA. They were the "hand, eyes and ears" of the Sultan.

Battara · 20th December 2011, 11:04 PM

I think my dad said the same thing about this picture when he saw it in Cato's book, that this was panglima Unga.

As far as panglima is concerned, I wonder if this also applies to Aceh in Indonesia, since the term I believe is also used there and the panglima is also chosen by the sultan there (pre-Aceh War).

Spunjer · 20th December 2011, 11:31 PM

dunno much about aceh history, jose, but i'm assuming it's related somehow. understand tho, that it's been a long time since Sulu had only five districts. this was during the reign of Sharif ul-Hāshim, the first Sultan of Sulu, around 1480...

Rick · 21st December 2011, 01:21 AM

IIRC, Saleeby mentions a Sumatran connection in his 'History' .

Spunjer · 21st December 2011, 12:45 PM

thanks rick! i need to re-read the Sulu Zone, but i guess we're getting into history now...

20th December 2011, 09:53 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	pictured is Panglima Unga, barung master extraordinaire, patriarch of the Unga clan from Talipao to reinterate on the ranking system in Sulu: A datu comes from the royal line. His father is either the Sultan or a datu. A panglima is the head of a kauman or district, that is large enough. The title is conferred upon the person by the sultan. The Panglima represents the people in matters to be brought to the sultan, like a mayor. some Panglima are chosen as members of the Ruma Bichara, which is like a Parliiament. The Ruma Bichara (supreme council or "house of talk") formulates laws and decides with the Sultan questions on matters of state, where the Panglima members are like the House of Commons and the Datu members are like the House of Lords. The Ruma Bichara also decides who is and proclaims the Sultan. No Sultan can be proclaimed by any one person unilaterally. It has to be the unanimous choice of the Ruma Bichara. The term "panglima" started when there were only five districts in the sultanate: Maimbung, Patikul, Parang, Luuk, and Latih. Thus, pangLIMA. They were the "hand, eyes and ears" of the Sultan. Attached Images

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20th December 2011, 11:04 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I think my dad said the same thing about this picture when he saw it in Cato's book, that this was panglima Unga. As far as panglima is concerned, I wonder if this also applies to Aceh in Indonesia, since the term I believe is also used there and the panglima is also chosen by the sultan there (pre-Aceh War).

20th December 2011, 11:31 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	dunno much about aceh history, jose, but i'm assuming it's related somehow. understand tho, that it's been a long time since Sulu had only five districts. this was during the reign of Sharif ul-Hāshim, the first Sultan of Sulu, around 1480...

21st December 2011, 01:21 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	IIRC, Saleeby mentions a Sumatran connection in his 'History' .

21st December 2011, 12:45 PM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	thanks rick! i need to re-read the Sulu Zone, but i guess we're getting into history now...