Keris info

[jor-el]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Agreed with Satria,

Just to add a little.
Looks like a Surakarta blade with kembang kacang Nguku Bima.
Heavy wear on the 'dada', between luk 1 to 3, 3 to 5, 5 to 7 and 7 to 9.
Wear might be due to rust-removal and etching, over the years.

The ukiran (hilt) is of gaya Surakarta wanda Yudawinatan.

Tundung Mungsuh is a pamor pattern found on the 'ganja' area.
It looks like a sideways 'V'-shaped formation.
The point of the 'V'-shape is pointed toward the 'sirah cecak' area.
This pamor pattern is deemed suitable for those who are warriors.
The meaning of Tundung mungsuh in Javanese is literary 'to oust the enemy'.

BTW, this keris does not have pamor Tundung Mungsuh.

I thank you all for the valuable info. I am obliged to you.
Themis

[Sepang]

hai Alamshah
i believe this kind of material is much older than surakarta era. even the curve of the blade is more majapahit era than mataram , the mataram era keris curve is much deeper than majapahit , so i think i'm agree is this is a majapahit era keris.
thanks.

[jor-el]

Dear all,

i appreciate your help concerning my keris info. My initial on coming info is that it is majabahit or early majabahit and it has pamor tiban, difficult to be easily identified, but with ganja traces of pamor Tundhung Musuh. It means to push away (and spiritually is for protection).
Please take a look at it again and write whatever you believe it could help more. I already thank Alam Shah and Satria and Sepang for their help.

Really, Sepang for pamor and rest do you agree with the rest ones?

Themis

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Sepang

hai Alamshah
i believe this kind of material is much older than surakarta era. even the curve of the blade is more majapahit era than mataram , the mataram era keris curve is much deeper than majapahit , so i think i'm agree is this is a majapahit era keris.
thanks.

Hi Sepang,
In terms of defining the tangguh, I would not know the difference between a majapahit era and a mataram era piece. If you know, kindly enlighthen us.
Thanks.

[jor-el]

Dear all,

i keep seeing the keris and other kerises with wos wutah pamor in this site and i find many differencies in patterns. Can anybody enlighten me about it?
For example the Javanese keris of Lei Shan Dao is quite different that the one i post here...

Sorry for my ignorance...
Themis

[Sepang]

to define tangguh keris , we need to know the material of the blade , what kind of iron, pamor works, peksi , and luk style

the luk of this keris isn't surakarta style , ..surakata style luk is much more wavy.

and the iron of this keris is more black ... , and the iron of surakarta keris is more grey.....

and the most important is ...most of the surakarta keris has tungkaan ..at the end of the ganja.


and this keris has kuku bima style kembang kacang. none of the surakarta keris is nggelung wayang.( curve )

in my opinion , this keris is made abt .. end of majapahit era , or early mataram , senopaten

[Alam Shah]

Dear Sepang,

My mistake... thanks for the update.

[Mans]

Hai dear all,

Trully so hard for me to give my opinion at this forum because my english not too good. But I'll trying to write it,

Here I posted my keris which I think can represent of each Tangguh (estimated period).

1. Keris Majapahit (13th-early 16th century)
2. Keris Mataram Senopaten (16th century)
3. Keris Mataram Sultan Agung (early period) (17th century)
4. Keris Mataram Sultan Agung (end period / Tundung Madiun) (late 17th century)
5. Keris Pengging (18th century)
6. Keris Mataram Surokarto (18th - 19th century)

Indeed that to know the Tangguh of keris is very difficult. We should often hold and see by our self of the keris. Also we can do considering of some keris. We can see that each keris has a different characteristics that can be used to estimated about the tangguh.

Perhaps my opinion can make some confused , but I hope it can be used for discussion in this threads and know more about the Keris, specificaly the Javanese Keris.

Regards,
Mans.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by jor-el

Dear all,
i keep seeing the keris and other kerises with wos wutah pamor in this site and i find many differencies in patterns. Can anybody enlighten me about it?
For example the Javanese keris of Lei Shan Dao is quite different that the one i post here...
Themis

Wos Wutah is the most common pamor pattern in Javanese keris and tombak. In Javanese, it literally means "scattered rice".

Just imagine if you throw rice on the floor. There will always be variations.
Likewise with keris pamor. Within this pamor formation, sometimes there are other 'hidden' patterns.

Hope this makes it clearer.