Wilah from?

Harley · 4th December 2011, 10:19 PM

Thanks Mr Maisey,

The rib and curls are not ready jet, i rather leave everything a little bit thicker,
so it's not easily broken, if everything is almost done then i can fine tune it.
I have drilled a hole at the middle of the sheet that aligns with the rib, so hopefully i can achieve that, thanks for the tip!

Harley · 6th December 2011, 09:37 PM

This is were i am now, the curls and the hole sheath need a lot of sanding, with polish sandpaper before i can try the pelet.
In the old sheath the wilah didn't go all the way in, in the new sheath let em drop a little further, but not all the way.
I don't no if thats normal for Bali sheaths?

regards Ben

A. G. Maisey · 6th December 2011, 09:56 PM

Very good Harley, but the fit of the blade is incorrect.

The curve of the top of the gonjo needs to be the same as the curve of the top of the atasan.

It can be exactly level with the top of the atasan or it can sit a bit higher than the top of the atasan, which is the old style way of fitting a Bali blade, but the sirah cecak cannot sit higher than the atasan, as you have it at the moment.

If it is impossible to get the curve of the top of the atasan the same as the curve of the top of the gonjo, it is preferable to sink the blade into the atasan, so that the sirah cecak is exactly level and the buntut urang is below the top of the atasan.

Another solution where exact alignment cannot be managed is to sit the blade so that both buntut urang and sirah cecak are dead level with the top of the atasan, and the center section of the gonjo sits a little bit high.

The one thing that is absolutely unacceptable is to have the sirah cecak sitting higher than the top of the atasan, as you have it at the moment.

Putting aside things that you could not be expected to know, the overall form is very, very good. Your craftsmanship appears to be excellent, based upon what I can see in the photo.

Harley · 6th December 2011, 10:31 PM

Mr Maisey,

First of all thank you for giving a honest reply, cause thats the way for me to learn.
I think i can make the gonjo line up with the atasan, i have don a little sanding, and it's not exactly the right curve, but it's no problem to fix that.
I alway leave the fine tunning till the last, so i can do some adjusting.
Thank you for the compliment, but i think the only thing i have is a little more patience then some of us.

regards,
Ben

A. G. Maisey · 6th December 2011, 11:02 PM

Harley, I grew up surrounded by fine art cabinet work.

I can recognise skill in the working of wood when I see it. Yes, patience is important, but it is useless if one has five thumbs on each hand.

Sajen · 7th December 2011, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Putting aside things that you could not be expected to know, the overall form is very, very good. Your craftsmanship appears to be excellent, based upon what I can see in the photo.

This I only can confirm! Also from me a great compliment to your craftmanship!

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 7th December 2011, 12:37 AM

Hello Harley,

maybe it will be from some help to show one of my Bali keris with the same wrongko form. I believe that this is an old ensemble which belong together.

Regards,

Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 7th December 2011, 12:52 AM

Detlef, your blade appears to have sunken further into the atasan with age, it is also possible that the front of the mouth in the atasan has been extended a couple of mm. to provide clearance for the front part of the blade, we sometimes see this where it is necessary to clear the kembang kacang.

Harley should try to get a neat all around fit, with the top of the ganja either slightly above the top of of the atasan, but at the same curve as the atasan, or dead level with the top of the atasan.

Sajen · 7th December 2011, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Detlef, your blade appears to have sunken further into the atasan with age, it is also possible that the front of the mouth in the atasan has been extended a couple of mm. to provide clearance for the front part of the blade, we sometimes see this where it is necessary to clear the kembang kacang.

Hello Alan,

the first guess it is in my opinion.

Sajen · 7th December 2011, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Harley should try to get a neat all around fit, with the top of the ganja either slightly above the top of of the atasan, but at the same curve as the atasan, or dead level with the top of the atasan.

Agree!

Rick · 7th December 2011, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

This I only can confirm! Also from me a great compliment to your craftmanship!

Regards,

Detlef

Indeed !
Someone is hiding their light under a bushel .

Detlef, is that painted kendit that I see ?

A. G. Maisey · 7th December 2011, 03:09 AM

Sorry Detlef, its not two guesses, I am referring to two separate things which can exist either separately, or together.

The longer wrongko mouth because of a need to allow the blade to enter; the sunken gonjo because of age.

Harley · 7th December 2011, 12:14 PM

Thanks guys for the compliments, and that you're willing to try to get me in the right direction!

I've tried to change it a little bit, is this a little bit more acceptable?

regards,
Ben

Sajen · 7th December 2011, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Sorry Detlef, its not two guesses, I am referring to two separate things which can exist either separately, or together.

The longer wrongko mouth because of a need to allow the blade to enter; the sunken gonjo because of age.

Hello Alan,

I only want to confirm that it is in this case the sunken gonjo because of age.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 7th December 2011, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Indeed !
Someone is hiding their light under a bushel .

Detlef, is that painted kendit that I see ?

Yes Rick, I think that it is a painted kendit.

6th December 2011, 09:37 PM	#2
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	This is were i am now, the curls and the hole sheath need a lot of sanding, with polish sandpaper before i can try the pelet. In the old sheath the wilah didn't go all the way in, in the new sheath let em drop a little further, but not all the way. I don't no if thats normal for Bali sheaths? regards Ben Attached Images

6th December 2011, 10:31 PM	#4
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Mr Maisey, First of all thank you for giving a honest reply, cause thats the way for me to learn. I think i can make the gonjo line up with the atasan, i have don a little sanding, and it's not exactly the right curve, but it's no problem to fix that. I alway leave the fine tunning till the last, so i can do some adjusting. Thank you for the compliment, but i think the only thing i have is a little more patience then some of us. regards, Ben Attached Images

7th December 2011, 12:37 AM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello Harley, maybe it will be from some help to show one of my Bali keris with the same wrongko form. I believe that this is an old ensemble which belong together. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

7th December 2011, 12:14 PM	#13
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Thanks guys for the compliments, and that you're willing to try to get me in the right direction! I've tried to change it a little bit, is this a little bit more acceptable? regards, Ben Attached Images

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4th December 2011, 10:19 PM	#1
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Thanks Mr Maisey, The rib and curls are not ready jet, i rather leave everything a little bit thicker, so it's not easily broken, if everything is almost done then i can fine tune it. I have drilled a hole at the middle of the sheet that aligns with the rib, so hopefully i can achieve that, thanks for the tip!

6th December 2011, 09:56 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Very good Harley, but the fit of the blade is incorrect. The curve of the top of the gonjo needs to be the same as the curve of the top of the atasan. It can be exactly level with the top of the atasan or it can sit a bit higher than the top of the atasan, which is the old style way of fitting a Bali blade, but the sirah cecak cannot sit higher than the atasan, as you have it at the moment. If it is impossible to get the curve of the top of the atasan the same as the curve of the top of the gonjo, it is preferable to sink the blade into the atasan, so that the sirah cecak is exactly level and the buntut urang is below the top of the atasan. Another solution where exact alignment cannot be managed is to sit the blade so that both buntut urang and sirah cecak are dead level with the top of the atasan, and the center section of the gonjo sits a little bit high. The one thing that is absolutely unacceptable is to have the sirah cecak sitting higher than the top of the atasan, as you have it at the moment. Putting aside things that you could not be expected to know, the overall form is very, very good. Your craftsmanship appears to be excellent, based upon what I can see in the photo.

6th December 2011, 11:02 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Harley, I grew up surrounded by fine art cabinet work. I can recognise skill in the working of wood when I see it. Yes, patience is important, but it is useless if one has five thumbs on each hand.

7th December 2011, 12:52 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Detlef, your blade appears to have sunken further into the atasan with age, it is also possible that the front of the mouth in the atasan has been extended a couple of mm. to provide clearance for the front part of the blade, we sometimes see this where it is necessary to clear the kembang kacang. Harley should try to get a neat all around fit, with the top of the ganja either slightly above the top of of the atasan, but at the same curve as the atasan, or dead level with the top of the atasan.

7th December 2011, 03:09 AM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Sorry Detlef, its not two guesses, I am referring to two separate things which can exist either separately, or together. The longer wrongko mouth because of a need to allow the blade to enter; the sunken gonjo because of age.